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    Quote Originally Posted by Sand Man View Post
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    The patch worn by the guy with the shemag, is that a Nam-era SOG patch??

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    Default nam era patch

    I believe they've actually made several new patches using the skull image of the vietnam SOG patch.

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    I believe this patch may be it: combined joined special operations task force.
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    Heh that's a jolly good find!

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    I had a conversation with a operator from Bragg recently. He is tabbed and instructs with CAG operators at Bragg. He said that though the 1911 platform of pistol is still around within the armory at Ft. Bragg, but that most CAG operators are using Glock 19 for concealed carry and Glock 22 operationally. The 22's are fitted with Surefire X200s. However, he also said that there are operators carrying STI double stacks in .40SW. When I asked him why there was the move to the Glock. He stated that the Beretta is just plain insufficient caliber wise and the 1911 style STI are unreliable. The point on the STI doesn't suprise me, however the fact that Glock 22s are being used suprised me. He did point out that once deployed, all sidearms, both CAG and regular Berets have a choice of what they want to carry - Glock, 1911, SIG, Beretta, whatever.

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    STI 1911 is unreliable? How come?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Echo300 View Post
    STI 1911 is unreliable? How come?
    Let me clarify...The gun is not unreliable, but the magazines. In this instance specifically the double stacks. The double stack mags are finicky. I have seen these mags go **** up personally so I know. Matter of fact saw one today at a pistol match fail.

    The guy I was speaking with stated that CAG operators didn't want to chance things in a combat situation until they got a chance to wring out the STIs fully. So they went to the G22 interim.

    I am just suprised by the caliber choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Echo300 View Post
    STI 1911 is unreliable? How come?
    1911s can lock up so tight and be such accurate range guns that they aren't such good combat guns.

    Quote Originally Posted by citadelshooter View Post
    I had a conversation with a operator from Bragg recently. He is tabbed and instructs with CAG operators at Bragg. He said that though the 1911 platform of pistol is still around within the armory at Ft. Bragg, but that most CAG operators are using Glock 19 for concealed carry and Glock 22 operationally.
    I find it curious that they'd choose a 9mm for concealed carry and a .40 otherwise.

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    I think the teams have smiths and artificers to adjust their 1911s and other sidearms. To make them as perfect as possible and fit each operators' requirements.These guys are multitalented.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    I find it curious that they'd choose a 9mm for concealed carry and a .40 otherwise.
    Me too. A number of years ago good friend of mine that was in one of the special SF units mentioned that he carried the G19 as his primary handgun. This was before the proliferation of the .40 in LE. Now, most major agencies have switched to the .40 and most .40s are Glocks. If CAG is making the switch to or using the G22 (and they are), it would seem odd to leave 9mm out there, especially if one of the complaints about the 9mm has been its poor performance in FMJ. Personally (and a lot of my buds disagree) I don't think you gain that much concealability between a G17/22 and a G19/23, between the 17/22 and the 26/27 yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laconian View Post
    ... If CAG is making the switch to or using the G22 (and they are), it would seem odd to leave 9mm out there, especially if one of the complaints about the 9mm has been its poor performance in FMJ.

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    I'm curious about this statement.

    Would the 9mm's performance been better if it was in Hollow Point?

    Watching this video, I only thought "OMG!!! The ****ing gallon disintegrated!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laconian View Post
    Me too. A number of years ago good friend of mine that was in one of the special SF units mentioned that he carried the G19 as his primary handgun. This was before the proliferation of the .40 in LE. Now, most major agencies have switched to the .40 and most .40s are Glocks. If CAG is making the switch to or using the G22 (and they are), it would seem odd to leave 9mm out there, especially if one of the complaints about the 9mm has been its poor performance in FMJ. Personally (and a lot of my buds disagree) I don't think you gain that much concealability between a G17/22 and a G19/23, between the 17/22 and the 26/27 yes.
    I carried the G19 for 4 years and it was a very concealable and lightweight weapon. It shot well, but the 9mm power left a bit to be desired. It's a slightly smaller frame and I have big hands, so I always felt like it didn't fit me too well. About a year ago, I moved over to the Sig Sauer P229 DAK .40. Great shooting weapon. Good balance and recoil is minimal. My only complaint is the length of the trigger pull after moving from the Glock. The Sig reminds me of shooting a revolver. All in all, I am satisfied I made the switch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laconian View Post
    Me too. A number of years ago good friend of mine that was in one of the special SF units mentioned that he carried the G19 as his primary handgun. This was before the proliferation of the .40 in LE. Now, most major agencies have switched to the .40 and most .40s are Glocks. If CAG is making the switch to or using the G22 (and they are), it would seem odd to leave 9mm out there, especially if one of the complaints about the 9mm has been its poor performance in FMJ. Personally (and a lot of my buds disagree) I don't think you gain that much concealability between a G17/22 and a G19/23, between the 17/22 and the 26/27 yes.
    The main reason for leaving the 9mm out there is possible use of suppressors and the international availability of 9mm. To clarify, suppressor use of the .40SW is really not as proven as the 9mm. Glock 9s don't need the use of a booster to fire realiably.

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    Quote Originally Posted by citadelshooter View Post
    The main reason for leaving the 9mm out there is possible use of suppressors and the international availability of 9mm. To clarify, suppressor use of the .40SW is really not as proven as the 9mm. Glock 9s don't need the use of a booster to fire realiably.
    What's a "booster"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by citadelshooter View Post
    The main reason for leaving the 9mm out there is possible use of suppressors and the international availability of 9mm. To clarify, suppressor use of the .40SW is really not as proven as the 9mm. Glock 9s don't need the use of a booster to fire realiably.
    You said they were carrying the 19 for concealability. What is concealable about a 19 sporting a suppressor? What's a booster?

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