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    hey dave81, do you have anymore pictures from the museum?

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    Too many to count, and they're not organized in any kind of way, spread out over a bunch of different folders on my hard drive. Admission is free and I live about 30 minutes away, so I've been there a lot. I go when something pops up, or if I'm showing someone around town. (I missed out on Kurt Muse's appearance, though.)
    Is there something specific inside the museum you wanted a picture of? I'll see if I have it.

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    Don't worry about it dave81, I just went to their website and I got an idea of what exhibits they showed. Here's the link if anyone is interested. I'll visit the museum one day.

    http://www.asomf.org/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete031 View Post
    Shwitters must of had his work cut out for him.
    No doubt. The weight of responsibility that was laid down in front of him after 9/11 must have been staggering. I can only imagine what the op tempo has been like for them since 2001.

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    Task Force Black



    September 4, 2008: One important component of the U.S. "Surge Offensive" in Iraq last year was actually a three year old, generally discreet, commando operation. This was Task Force Black (TFB). Composed of only a few hundred troops, the core of this force was operators from the British SAS and the U.S. Delta Force. Task Force Black was assigned to go after the Islamic terrorists who were actually planning and carrying out the suicide bombings that were killing thousands of Iraqi civilians a month until last year.

    TFB tactics were bold and dangerous, as they went after terrorists who were on their way to an operation (either on foot with explosive belts, or suicide car bombers.) These attacks were are the most carefully planned and executed terrorist operations, and the objective of TFB was to take down the attackers before they could detonate their explosives. This is easier to do if you catch them before they are close to their target, because the bombers are not poised to set off their explosives on short notice.

    Some suicide bomber teams do not rig their detonators to work until they are close to the target. They have good reason for this, for there have been accidental detonations, which kill the support staff as well as the suicide bomber. This is not good for the morale of the escorts, security detail and bomb technicians that make all the preparations for these attacks. The bombers themselves only do it once, and are not as highly trained and difficult to replace. Without the support people, who are harder to recruit than suicide bombers, these attacks are much less effective. When Israel began going after the support staff five years ago, the Palestinian suicide attacks on Israel greatly diminished, and there were more accidents from poorly made bombs, and more bombers were caught before they could reach their targets. TFB often brought along American and Iraqi troops to make a follow up sweep to grab as many of the support staff as possible.

    TFB used all available intelligence resources to find terrorist gangs that were making the suicide attacks. Most of these terrorists worked for "al Qaeda in Iraq," but some were run by various Sunni Arab groups trying to get a civil war going between Sunni and Shia Arabs. The terrorists believed that such a conflict would result in a Sunni Arab victory. Three years ago, realizing that an outcome like that was highly unlikely, some of the terrorist gangs began shutting down, and there was a decline on terrorist attacks because of it. But the attacks continued, and in 2006, they increased as Shia death squads proliferated.

    TFB had a rough time of it for over a year, as Shia terrorists now began setting off bombs in Sunni Arab neighborhoods. But throughout that period, the intelligence picture kept getting better. The TFB operators spent much of their time among Iraqis, so when the Surge Offensive kicked off in early 2007, there was an opportunity to hit many of the suicide bomber support groups hard. By the time the Surge Offensive wound down earlier this year, TFB had taken down (killed or captured) nearly 4,000 Islamic terrorists. Most of them were the hard to replace support staff. This was reflected in the sharp decline in the number of terror bombs going off. From a peak of over a hundred bombs a month going off in Baghdad, to as little as two. TFB suffered about 20 percent casualties through all this.

    After the Surge Offensive, many surviving terrorists fled north, to Mosul and surrounding areas. The terrorists still being hunted there, mostly by Iraqis soldiers and police.

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    I'm thinking TFB was what Woodward was talking about. Bully for them. Tough and smart.

    hank

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    Rare footage, GSG-9 in Mogadischu, inside the Lufthansa plane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sand Man View Post
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    The patch worn by the guy with the shemag, is that a Nam-era SOG patch??

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    Default nam era patch

    I believe they've actually made several new patches using the skull image of the vietnam SOG patch.

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    I believe this patch may be it: combined joined special operations task force.
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    Heh that's a jolly good find!

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    Default Info on CAG Pistol Choice

    I had a conversation with a operator from Bragg recently. He is tabbed and instructs with CAG operators at Bragg. He said that though the 1911 platform of pistol is still around within the armory at Ft. Bragg, but that most CAG operators are using Glock 19 for concealed carry and Glock 22 operationally. The 22's are fitted with Surefire X200s. However, he also said that there are operators carrying STI double stacks in .40SW. When I asked him why there was the move to the Glock. He stated that the Beretta is just plain insufficient caliber wise and the 1911 style STI are unreliable. The point on the STI doesn't suprise me, however the fact that Glock 22s are being used suprised me. He did point out that once deployed, all sidearms, both CAG and regular Berets have a choice of what they want to carry - Glock, 1911, SIG, Beretta, whatever.

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    STI 1911 is unreliable? How come?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Echo300 View Post
    STI 1911 is unreliable? How come?
    Let me clarify...The gun is not unreliable, but the magazines. In this instance specifically the double stacks. The double stack mags are finicky. I have seen these mags go **** up personally so I know. Matter of fact saw one today at a pistol match fail.

    The guy I was speaking with stated that CAG operators didn't want to chance things in a combat situation until they got a chance to wring out the STIs fully. So they went to the G22 interim.

    I am just suprised by the caliber choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Echo300 View Post
    STI 1911 is unreliable? How come?
    1911s can lock up so tight and be such accurate range guns that they aren't such good combat guns.

    Quote Originally Posted by citadelshooter View Post
    I had a conversation with a operator from Bragg recently. He is tabbed and instructs with CAG operators at Bragg. He said that though the 1911 platform of pistol is still around within the armory at Ft. Bragg, but that most CAG operators are using Glock 19 for concealed carry and Glock 22 operationally.
    I find it curious that they'd choose a 9mm for concealed carry and a .40 otherwise.

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