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    i found a lot of ANA/ANP in the panshir with AMD-65's surprisingly...haji used the vent holes on the AMD handguard to make his weapon into a jingle truck though

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    7.62 Tabuk, the Hajji "DMR." Heard that one's a pain in the ass.

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    yeah it was produced in iraq with the help of the yugoslavians. the pistol grip and gas tube with grenade launcher site/cut-off resembles a yugo. as for the barrel its based on a RPK and the stock is unique to the model. most use a PSO optic but night vision russian side mount optics have been found also...

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    Quote Originally Posted by trey40 View Post
    i found a lot of ANA/ANP in the panshir with AMD-65's surprisingly...haji used the vent holes on the AMD handguard to make his weapon into a jingle truck though
    Haha I can most definatly see them using every hole on that. The proally love it because theres no wood and lots of real estate to decorate on.

    In regards to the Tabuk sniper, It doesnt have the grenade sight/gas shut off. The regular copy of the M70 they made does however. They also knocked off the SVD known as the Al Kadesiah rifle.

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    my mistake

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    Quote Originally Posted by mohawkALSE View Post
    That looks like a fairly unused Bulgarian AK-74. I thought it was Russian and no big deal bc obviously the Soviets lost stuff, but the pistol grip and mag are def Bulgarian, and it looks like a real worn set of BG blonde wood.
    Actually the wood looks more Russian than Bulgarian.
    The magazine could also be Russian, unless there is a close up shot of it to see the factory stamp on the lower right side of the mag.

    Izhmash produced both plum, dark plum, and polymer black mags for AK-74.

    Bulgarian giveaway would be a huge circle 10.

    Tough to say. But I would go with a Russian, since not many Bulgarian AKs made it to Afghanistan.

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    The US bought the Iraqis a massive amount of Yugo M70 ak47s not long ago, even if we lost 200,000 of them in transport when they went on to the planes and were gone when they landed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RomanS View Post
    Actually the wood looks more Russian than Bulgarian.
    The magazine could also be Russian, unless there is a close up shot of it to see the factory stamp on the lower right side of the mag.

    Izhmash produced both plum, dark plum, and polymer black mags for AK-74.

    Bulgarian giveaway would be a huge circle 10.

    Tough to say. But I would go with a Russian, since not many Bulgarian AKs made it to Afghanistan.
    Regardless alot of the parts in Bulgarian 74s were parts mfg in Russian as their RPK-74 parts. The trunion on my Bulgarian SLR-105 is from Russian AKS-74 spares. Some RPK-74 trunions have sanitized Molot logos visible under the double circle 10 stamping.

    This is my parts kit that Im gonna build soon:
    Has the same reddish brown Bulgarian pistol grip. Granted Im not any sort of expert, but from all the pics Ive seen of worn Russian 74s with wood, the laminate still shows a nice grain to it unlike the Bulgarian hardwood blonde colored stocks. My parts kit still has a nice finish to it, and sorta looks like the Russian color but isnt laminate. Thats why I would still stick to my original thought. But the only way to really ever know is see the Trunion marking. You never know what parts they may have mixed and matched.

    I zoomed in the pic and its either a double circle 10 or 21 mfg black mag. The circles are failry visible zoomed in, no IZH triangle. I think it would be super rare to see a true black 74 mag in the hands of anyone other than a current Russian soldier. On the collectors market they go for 100s for just 1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mohawkALSE View Post
    Regardless alot of the parts in Bulgarian 74s were parts mfg in Russian as their RPK-74 parts. The trunion on my Bulgarian SLR-105 is from Russian AKS-74 spares. Some RPK-74 trunions have sanitized Molot logos visible under the double circle 10 stamping.

    This is my parts kit that Im gonna build soon:
    Has the same reddish brown Bulgarian pistol grip. Granted Im not any sort of expert, but from all the pics Ive seen of worn Russian 74s with wood, the laminate still shows a nice grain to it unlike the Bulgarian hardwood blonde colored stocks. My parts kit still has a nice finish to it, and sorta looks like the Russian color but isnt laminate. Thats why I would still stick to my original thought. But the only way to really ever know is see the Trunion marking. You never know what parts they may have mixed and matched.

    I zoomed in the pic and its either a double circle 10 or 21 mfg black mag. The circles are failry visible zoomed in, no IZH triangle. I think it would be super rare to see a true black 74 mag in the hands of anyone other than a current Russian soldier. On the collectors market they go for 100s for just 1.


    Very nice parts kit

    Which reciever are you going to use for this?

    Yeah it would be very rare to see the black izh mag, and I agree with you about the availability. Me and my friends brought one back from Izhevsk a few years ago. That was pretty cool. They(our friends in camos) gave us a few plum mags too.
    But the most expensive mag here in US in the Russian genre I would say the 45round ribbed Plum RPK-74 mag.

    The compensator on that Afghan picture is definately of a late model. Not the half moon cut.

    The wood could be debatable, but I noticed a lot of Russian AK-74 buttstocks have darker reder color to it. Bulgarians have a lot of lighter more blond color like you said. Also the lighting cut I noticed on the Russian AK-74 stocks is a little bigger/longer than on the Bulg.

    I would love to see this one in person. Beside the trunion marking, as you know selector marking would be good to see as well.

    The Bulgarian ones are AB and ED
    Russian ones are AB and OD

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    Im planning on using the NDS-2C reciever from NDS/DC Industries. Its pretty much the best US made copy of the Bulgarian made reciever because its based off the SLR-105's. You can even have them engrave either Bulgarian or Russian selector markings on them. This will be my second AK-74 varient and Id love to move on to a RPK-74 build next.

    In regards to the Molot ribbed 45 rounder, Id have to agree with you, especially now. I recall them for about 150-175 like a year ago and then a few mag whores out there bought em all up so now the price tag is well over 200. One place in the US used to have the true black Izhevsk 30 rounds and was like 400+ a set of 4 in the pouch with the chargers/guide and oil bottle if I recall correctly. He managed to sell all those out fast too.

    Heres the Mags I have:
    All the steel mags are Romanian, 2 Polish polymers, 7 Bulgarian polymers, 4 East German bakelites and 2 45 round Bulgarian bakelites. I have yet to get any Russian mags. I need a few common plums.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mohawkALSE View Post
    Im planning on using the NDS-2C reciever from NDS/DC Industries. Its pretty much the best US made copy of the Bulgarian made reciever because its based off the SLR-105's. You can even have them engrave either Bulgarian or Russian selector markings on them. This will be my second AK-74 varient and Id love to move on to a RPK-74 build next.

    In regards to the Molot ribbed 45 rounder, Id have to agree with you, especially now. I recall them for about 150-175 like a year ago and then a few mag whores out there bought em all up so now the price tag is well over 200. One place in the US used to have the true black Izhevsk 30 rounds and was like 400+ a set of 4 in the pouch with the chargers/guide and oil bottle if I recall correctly. He managed to sell all those out fast too.

    Heres the Mags I have:
    All the steel mags are Romanian, 2 Polish polymers, 7 Bulgarian polymers, 4 East German bakelites and 2 45 round Bulgarian bakelites. I have yet to get any Russian mags. I need a few common plums.
    I got a Izhevsk plum AK74 mag and a rare Tula 7.62 bakelite mag.

    Do you need them? Im thinking about selling those 2

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