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    Quote Originally Posted by pascalywood View Post
    it really worked mud, i was sure you were an asshole
    Oh, I'm deff an a-hole, the only question is am i YOUR kind of a-hole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HOLLiS View Post
    I don't think what you discribe is particularly liberal or conservative. What makes a person liberal or conservative I think is mostly how the media portrays the two. People seem to be more single issue orientated, that does not define a person as a liberal or conservative necessarily.

    Most people I know are pragmatic, regardless on how they might identify themselves as a liberal, conservative or ?? A term in they you in our state congress is "good R or good D", meaning a person regradless of party affilitation will do what is best for the state. Hardline party members are not respected so much.

    A thinking liberal, IMHO, is better than a non thinking conservative, and a thinking conservative is better than a non thnking liberal. Also a person who actually cares for the benefit of all of society is better than one who does not, regardless of any labels. Having good honest different views is important for our society to progress and be better than it was.

    Partisan politics does not serve the interest of the people, but that is our political reality.

    BTW ignore mudbunny he is a dweeb.

    I agree with you, I guess I just dont know how to differentiate between peoples different ideals/morals without using partisan labels. though i am glad for your input, thanks for explaining things more eloquently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spade216 View Post
    I agree with you, I guess I just dont know how to differentiate between peoples different ideals/morals without using partisan labels. though i am glad for your input, thanks for explaining things more eloquently.
    Just be as open minded towards them as you would expect them to be towards you or your beliefs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mudbunny View Post
    Well, if Junior is looking for a "liberal" fraternity, chances are pretty good he AINT gonna find it in the military. Atleast not in the army or Marine Corps. I'm just trying to save him some time. You want an "open" society, go to college.
    I am in college, and I dont want everyone to cater to my ideals. however, i dont think they should be preaching the idea of putting others in prison for practicing the rights that they themselves are putting their life on the line for.

    now im aware that not everyone in the military is saying, "bash those hippie kid's heads in". but if you dont believe in burning an American flag in protest, than you should be equally as disturbed if someone is talking about how we should not let people protest in a street.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spade216 View Post
    The thing that gets me is that alot of them tell me about how they get made fun of over their liberal ideals by their fellow soldiers...
    It's no wonder your liberal friends in the military get a little shit put on them- military discipline and liberalism are, by and large, on opposite ends of the social scale. If you had the kind of liberalism you're talking about in the military we would still be fighting with trigger locks on the rifles and trying to end wars by trying to invite the enemy to concerts and sleep-outs.

    Quote Originally Posted by spade216 View Post
    Whenever I went in, it kinda hurt to hear the recruiters/some other people there talk about how they thought the police should beat/take away all the protestors. Then I got some real dirty looks when I mentioned some of those kids were my friends, and how it wasnt only the soldier that gave us our rights and freedoms, but also the activist that makes sure the government doesnt abuse/take away those rights from the average citizen.
    And how exactly did you expect the recruiters to act towards a group who were irritating them and making their job harder by a factor of 10? "Oh wow these people are great! We should get these guys in for coffee Bob. You want to go out back and check to see if we have any biscuits?"

    The thing that gets me about liberals, and liberal protestors in general is, while their intentions may be good, they have little to no understanding of the whole picture or have little to no idea what the consequences of their proposed actions would be. They grab any little piece of possibly incriminating evidence and expand it out 100 times, while ignoring overly whelming contradictory evidence- aka Loose Change.

    Quote Originally Posted by spade216 View Post
    I suppose this is a big pointless rant, but i just want to discuss why it seems that people who are for a society free of judgment based on ****** orientation, excersise their rights, and have some strong socio-economic ideas seem to get labeled as anti-american? I mean isnt that what our great republic is supposed to be about? democracy and freedom
    Who says only the liberals are for a judgement free society? Who says the neocons want to quash democracy and freedom? Thats the problem with liberals. They make themselves a part of a self-electing elite which, simply by the fact that think they care more than rest of us who only care as much as we need to, takes the moral high ground and inflates their own ranks with people who aren't in fact liberal, but just do kind things. Winnie Mandela for instance.

    Quote Originally Posted by spade216 View Post
    I am in college, and I dont want everyone to cater to my ideals. however, i dont think they should be preaching the idea of putting others in prison for practicing the rights that they themselves are putting their life on the line for.
    What the hell are you talking about there? Who's been put in jail for what?

    Quote Originally Posted by spade216 View Post
    now im aware that not everyone in the military is saying, "bash those hippie kid's heads in". but if you dont believe in burning an American flag in protest, than you should be equally as disturbed if someone is talking about how we should not let people protest in a street.
    Now there's an explosive sentence. You're giving tacit approval for flag burning. I'd pull your head in if I were you.

    As for being disturbed about street protests being canned, no I would no be alarmed. There are numerous other legal ways of making your opinions known and protesting is usually the one that ends up with cars being tipped over and shop fronts smashed up. When was the last time you saw a congressional hearing end up setting cars on fire and clashing with riot police?

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    Quote Originally Posted by spade216 View Post
    well i was serious about not being gay, i dont even know how thats pertaining to the topic at hand.

    Im aware that a good amount of the people i may end serving with, may not share my own political beliefs. but the thing i was trying to get across, is that theres this stigma that only the right wingers join the military, and that the leftest are commie pigs that hate the military. in reality plenty of those on the left want to serve their country, and have hope of making it better.

    we dont believe the greatest threat is from the outside, but from within. rome didnt fall until it had killed itself from the inside out with corruption and fiscal problems.
    When I served my politics were my personal business.

    As to ****** preference I preferred that be personal business .
    What do the Gay activists want a mandatory label above your name tag
    saying I fvck women or I fvck men ?

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    loose change is not really liberal, its funny....and is just there to make people question things. but I dont put any stock into it, its just bullpoop.

    also, whos to say liberals arent for using force? However, it should only be done as a last resort. no one wants our honorable soldiers coming home in boxes or missing limbs for the wrong reason.....whatever happened to train for war, pray for peace?

    lastly, the big picture to me personally....is the effect our current policies are gonna have on future generations. dont get me wrong, if i had to go to iraq..i would...i would do whatever job i was trained to, but I don't think its helping us in the long run. its creating a training ground for terrorists who can get the experience needed to knock down the few democracies in the middle east (lebannon/israel).

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    Right well first up I think you should fill in some personal info there Spade. Something about you doesn't add up. You read like someone trying to bait MP.net into a reaction. Seeing as this is about how you would like to join the military, I don't think its out of the question to get some background details about you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArmyJonHall View Post
    Right well first up I think you should fill in some personal info there Spade. Something about you doesn't add up. You read like someone trying to bait MP.net into a reaction. Seeing as this is about how you would like to join the military, I don't think its out of the question to get some background details about you.

    like what? A/S/L? heh

    im at UF in gainesville, anthropology major. I plan to start ROTC this fall, join the guard next summer, and eventually, hopefully, be an officer in the active duty army....and see where that takes me. I mean, i dont need to bait MP.net into a reaction, look at all the other board conversations.....and theres quite a few flame wars going on, atleast thats what it seems like to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mudbunny View Post
    Lemme guess, you're gay and are concerned about possible repurcussions should your higher command find out?

    Am I right?


    mudbunny made the beer spill out of my nose lol.

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    just FYI, this explains where the terms liberals and conservatives comes from




    The division of the human family into its two distinct branches occurred some 10,000 years ago, a few hundred years after the flood... Humans coexisted as members of small bands of nomadic hunter/gatherers.


    In the pivotal event of societal evolution, beer was invented. This epochal innovation was both the foundation of modern civilization and the occasion of the great bifurcation of humanity into its two distinct subgroups: Liberals and Conservatives.


    Once beer was discovered, it required grain, and that was the beginning of agriculture. Neither the glass bottle or aluminum can had yet been invented, so it was necessary to stick pretty close to the brewery. That's how villages were formed.


    Some men spent their days killing animals to barbecue at night while they were drinking beer. This was the beginning of the conservative movement.


    Other men who were weaker and less skilled at hunting, learned how to live off conservatives by showing up for the BBQs every night and doing women's work like sewing, fetching and hair dressing. This was the beginning of the liberal movement. Later, some of the liberals actually became women.


    Liberal achievements include the domestication of cats, invention of group therapy and democratic voting to see how to divide the beer and meat that the conservatives provided. Women were not interested in democracy at that time because most of them were still women back then, and the conservatives fed them.


    Conservatives are symbolized by the largest, most powerful land animal on earth. Liberals are symbolized by the jackass.


    Modern Liberals like imported beer (they add lime), but most prefer white wine or foreign water in a bottle. They eat raw fish but like their beef well done. Sushi, tofu, and french food are on liberal menus. Their women have more testosterone than the men. Liberals like deviant *** and want others to like it too. Their first successful city governments were Sodom and Gomorrah.


    Most social workers, personal injury attorneys, journalists, and group therapists are Liberals. Liberals invented the designated hitter rule in baseball because it wasn't "fair" to make the pitcher also bat.


    Conservatives drink domestic beer. They eat red meat, and still provide for their women. Conservatives are big-game hunters, rodeo cowboys, lumber-jacks, construction workers, medical doctors, police officers, corporate executives, soldiers, athletes, and generally anyone who works productively outside government. Conservatives who own companies hire other conservatives who want to work for a living.


    Liberals do not produce anything. They like to "govern" the producers and decide what is to be done with the production. Liberals believe Europeans are more enlightened than Americans. That is why most of the liberals just stayed in Europe when conservatives were coming to America.

    The American cowboy, of course, is your basic, full-bore Conservative. A hundred years ago, an Englishman visiting Texas was attempting to find the owner of a huge cattle ranch. He rode up to one of the ranch hands, and inquired, "Pardon me, but could you perhaps tell me where I might locate your master?" To which the cowboy replied, "That sumbitch ain't been born yet".


    So, what'll it be? Wine or Beer? Domestic or Imported?

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    Quote Originally Posted by spade216 View Post
    The thing that gets me is that alot of them tell me about how they get made fun of over their liberal ideals by their fellow soldiers. Now I'm not saying they get all that offended or anything over that fact, but it seems that most people in the military expect you to have a conservative mind-set, which ironically is also expected by some on the extreme-left.
    Don't know why you'd be surprised by this. The military is the tool of "the man", and nearly all individual choice is taken away so that one can do "the man's" bidding. In terms of a lifestyle, the military is about as un-leftist as you can get. Therefore, wouldn't it make sense for people to expect that the person doing that job supports that mindset more than the average joe?

    Quote Originally Posted by spade216 View Post
    I suppose this is a big pointless rant, but i just want to discuss why it seems that people who are for a society free of judgment based on ****** orientation, excersise their rights, and have some strong socio-economic ideas seem to get labeled as anti-american? I mean isnt that what our great republic is supposed to be about? democracy and freedom?
    I suppose that would depend upon who you ask. IMHO such an interpretation is very superficial and not an accurate representation of how we came to be, and what keeps the nation together.

    What is a "society free of judgment based on ****** orientation" ? Says who? The last time I looked, freedom worked both ways - the freedom to gay it up, and the freedom to judge that lifestyle negatively. We get to judge the living sh*t outta people for all kinds of things every day - that's freedom. In fact, our prisons are full of people that our professional judges have found to be embracing their personal freedom a bit too much.

    Quote Originally Posted by spade216 View Post
    I have been lurking on these boards for a good year, and it seems that alot of the left leaning people around here get called communist/anti-american quite often. i mean, communists arent liberal, the constitution....now thats what i call liberal.
    Well, I'd say the US Constitution was pretty liberal when it was written, but not any more. JFK was considered fairly liberal in his day, but his policies would be viewed as a staunchly conservative today. A strict interpretation of the US Constitution makes it a very conservative document by today's standards.

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    Blue Moon please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spade216 View Post
    Blue Moon please.

    Blue Moon is a fine American product, styled after the Belgian white lagers. good choice.

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    its the hippie's choice beer.
    and mine, though since its a bit expensive on my student budget, i dont mind bush most nights.

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