Reply With QuoteIt usually includes this-Originally Posted by Freedom-Fries
whats that about ?
It usually includes this-
Militaries, and the people drawn to them, are generally nationalist in character - always have been, always will be. And in the US, being a nationalist is most readily associated with being a conservative. If you happened to be in Cuba or China a few decades ago, it would be the opposite, yet inspired by the same spirit of nationalism.
Although even in the US, there are tons of military and ex-military guys I've read about who are on the left, anything from moderates to waaay out there anarchists and socialists. For some people, serving in the military can make you redder than a firetruck.
His statement is paraphrasing an Army recruiter who speaks like a Jarhead !
Most questionable .
Or, you could simply have a warm glass of SHUT THE ƒUCK UP.
I'm sooo tired of email internet jokes being used as an excuse for ignorance and lack of education when it comes to civics, politics, and responsibility.
Spade, listen, the military, in many ways reflects our culture, more now, than ever before. In part because it is voluntary and in part because our society has changed as well over the years.
People throw around the concept of "liberal" and "conservative" as if they know what they mean.
The problem in this world is that we tend to try to pigeon hole people into little labels that even the most idiotic and least attentive person can grasp.
In many ways, MP.net represents the world as much as anything else.
Durandal
A member of MP.net that is pro-choice, pro-life, has a gay family member, is married and thinks his gay family member should be able to do the same, is adopting and thinks his gay family member should be able to do the same, owns a crap load of guns and a gun range, makes his own WINE and Beer and is VERY pro-alcohol, used to smoke but quit and doesn't mind if other people smoke so long as they are courteous about it, thinks the government should be as small as possible, tax the least amount allowable, pro-god, pro-evolution, anti-idiot, pro-business, pro-environment, pro-military, pro-ass whipping when it deserves it, pro-democray, anti-terrorism, pro-state, pro-republic, anti-racism, pro-diversity, anti-pro-gm crop and pro-natural food, anti-human caused global warming, pro-natural global warming, strict Constitutionalist, anti-brussel sprouts, pro-rhubarb, anti-politician, pro-gutting of the political system and starting over with common everyday people, pro-dog, anti-cat, pro-flag burning, anti-morons who burn flags, pro-we have a responsibility to help out in a our community in times of need or to help the needy, anti-selfish morons who think the opposite and those that think they should force those same morons to help and pro-teaching of civic duties so that when I say "I think James Madison had it right" they actually know who I am talking about and why.
Durandel, well said.
Ahem. Well, y'know, this may be why the libertarian party is the perpetual "also-ran". As an ideology that can actually be implemented through legislation, those views suck, extra bad. For example - and I'm just picking an obvious one out here, your "pro-diversity" beliefs contradict your small government beliefs. You can't have both. You've either got to allow the government to be intrusive for diversity's sake, or keep the government out, and accept the fact that some people aren't concerned with diversity...right?
We humans tend to bunch together to get things done. While I agree that it's hard to find any individual who is in lock-step with any political party...I think the reality is that if we'd actually like to accomplish anything beyond flapping our arms in the wind, we've got to join up with whichever side most closely matches our views. I think that's probably both the reason why we do tend to get things done...and why our political system is so divisive. It's kind of self-polarizing. We could splinter into 20 different parties so that we all join up with a group that better represents each of us...and then of course we'd never get anything done. I dunno maybe that would be a good thing.
Wow, all this time I thought it was the courts.the activist that makes sure the government doesnt abuse/take away those rights from the average citizen.
I guess that guy in the leotard holding up the "Free Palestine" placard really is a hero!
To JJC, the USA is a multi-ethnic nation, not mutli-cultural or multi-governmental. For example, we allow women to hold jobs and testify in court. We take care of the poor and don't allow them to wallow in the alleyways in filth.
We have ethnically diverse cities, like NYC, Chicago and LA. Though this is not indictive of the entire nation. So you should not expect the rest of the USA to be like one of these large metropolitan areas. (Nor do I expect NYC to become Montgomery, Alabama!)
Sure, I do not want to bar immigrants from entering the USA, though as with everything in this day and age. (crime, welfare, health care, public eductation & Islamic Terrorism) It needs to be regulated. If we allowed everyone to enter the USA, it would be a third-world nation real quick!
It's quite simple. If you do not support Every. Single. Conservatice. Principle, conservatives will automatically label you as a liberal.
By your own admission, you tolerate gays and cultures other than 'white' ones. Therefore, you are now a liberal.
Not at all. You can have both. Your assume that diversity is forced.
X2.....
Durandal just made the first MP.net post in which I agree with everything that was written.
I'm with ya, I support tough border enforcement, if i means 12 feet high fences with watch towers do it. I understand that local economies can only handle so much in terms of education, healthcare, criminal justice etc. I want our gov. to start rounding up all the illegals in gangs such as MS13, Latn Kings etc and send them back, we have our own to deal with. But I also think that we can't and shouldn't round up every illegal because that will damage our economy, and it's not right to do it to families that lived here for decades.... (Immigration issue is a whole another topic...)
My multi cluturalism point was not about immigration issue, it's just that around here we tend to think that real hardcore conservative red states are not so receptive to non locals, foreign born Americans. But I hope it's just a stereotype...
I know a quite a few liberal soldiers myself. Assuming that most soldiers make generalizations of liberals is a generalization. Many liberals look at soldiers like a bunch of dumb pawns. We assume grunts are grunts because they can't do better. Yet.. most of the grunts I serve with outscore our more technical peers.
Libs are looked down on by most military because of who seems to represent you in the media. Michael Moore, Cindy Sheehan, John Kerry, John Edwards,Jane Fonda, Rosie.. I mean really.. are you seriously surprised? Take two random people. One turns out to be a leftist liberal, the other a right wingnut conservative. Which one is most likely to send a care package to soldiers serving in Iraq? Which one is more likely to protest a military installation for the war? Ever wonder why libs always protest outside military buildings as if soldiers are responsible for waging war or that we'd just change our mind and join the protest? Homo******s protest the military and the "God hates fags" family protests our funerals. Conservatives right? Who is more likely to write a patriotic song and donate the proceeds to military families? Kanye West?
Go ahead and act all surprised. This couldn't possibly be a post for attention.
But you're not going to get that sort of thing in real life. Pick a typical American citizen and you'll find that they don't trust the Bush admin and want the troops out of Iraq. Is that something that a liberal or conservative would support? Or is it the case that those in charge of our troops no longer deserve the honor and the US is waiting for the folks in DC to come to terms with that fact?
[I deleted the examples for reasons of brevity]
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