M1 carabine, a bullpup upgrade.

[Hollis]

. A rear echelon carbine to replace the 1911. The weapon is accurate and will kill someone.

Yes, I agree much better than a pistol, great for RE people.

I have two... I don't know why. I would not shoot a deer with one.

[BillySing]

This has been around for several years now.

Been discussed on this this forum as well.

That said, Israel has a HUGE stock pile of .30 carbine, hence the need to find a use for it.

Everyone can bitch about the .30 round all they want, but its perfect for its role. A rear echelon carbine to replace the 1911. The weapon is accurate and will kill someone.

The "winter in korea" while having some ruth to it is mainly blown out of proportion.

Plenty of Germans died from the round and I would wager some Japanese did too.

My quarrel is not with the venerable .30 M1 carbine, but with the manufacturer's saying that it's equal with the .357 magnum.

I know that's it not true, as even my own hand loads failed to convincingly stop red kangaroo at 50 metres. No such problem with the .357 magnum.

[kamarian]

i know a manufacturer redid some, or made from new a vesion of the M1 but in 45 magnum. How would that go compared with the .30?

[deadtired]

Yes, I agree much better than a pistol, great for RE people.

I have two... I don't know why. I would not shoot a deer with one.

I'd be happy to help you with that problem (the "I have two" part, not the "don't know why" part).

[LRPV]

If Israel has a stockpile to dispose of to a commercial venture, perhaps the calibre could be wild-catted, ie neck -down the straight-wall .30 caseto about .25 calibre. Higher velocity and the only part to change is the barrel. Just a thought.

[Andrew116]

Wow that things pretty sexy, though I'd like to see it in a bigger caliber......12.7mm (50cal)? lol

[Durandal]

If Israel has a stockpile to dispose of to a commercial venture, perhaps the calibre could be wild-catted, ie neck -down the straight-wall .30 caseto about .25 calibre. Higher velocity and the only part to change is the barrel. Just a thought.

A complete waste of time.

[OMON]

looks abit like the famas

[tango44]

Looks nice, but I'd still prefer the old school look any day.

+1000 ON THE OLD SCHOOL, 100% AN AMERICAN CLASSIC NOT ISRAELI!

[IDF_TANKER]

+1000 ON THE OLD SCHOOL, 100% AN AMERICAN CLASSIC NOT ISRAELI!

Take it easy, man, this is only an upgrade kit, much like the plastic kits they make in US for M14 for example...
Kudos to you for the patriotic spirit though.

[alex kendall]

Hmmm...looks Like Basic Riot Gear 2 Me. .

[Hollis]

+1000 ON THE OLD SCHOOL, 100% AN AMERICAN CLASSIC NOT ISRAELI!

It's cool dude, Israel hae been having a problem with getting less than lethal weapons, this should do......

[BillySing]

It's cool dude, Israel hae been having a problem with getting less than lethal weapons, this should do......

hahaha....... classic.

[Laconian]

I know the .30 carbine has a bad (horrible?) rep as a man-killer, however I've talked with several WWII and Korea vets, that liked it for its weight and their ability to carry more mags for less weight than their Garands.

My only experience with the round came when one of my troops got a hold of an Iver Johnson model and fired one down the entrance road to Ft. Polk one night while he was all liquored up. At a distance of about 75 yards, the round penetrated the trunk of a '74 Buick, a filled duffle bag in the trunk, the back seat, front seat and shoulder of a girl in the passenger side. It did very little damage to the girl, but it was pretty impressive for what I'd heard was an anemic round.

I've always wanted a carbine. They were always fairly inexpensive, but now they are overpriced.

[Hollis]

They were always fairly inexpensive, but now they are overpriced.

A lot of Old Military rifles are going in that direction. Amazing to see some of increases in the last 4 years.

Later will just cost you more.