They've been offered transport back to Romania, but they turned it down. It has now transpired that while they are Romanian citizens they didn't come directly from there, most of them have been in Spain for the past few years.Originally Posted by SHAM
First and most important you should be able to make the diferrence easily, yet you are not capable to make the difference but you draw the conclusion that those are romanians.
The romanians that are in EU countries (Germany, Spain etc) are hard workers, and the employers can testify for that.
Are you capable of reading und understanding what I wrote? Where did I write that Roma are Romanians? Roma (Gypsies not Rome the Empire!) and Romanians don't exactly mean the same, however many Roma (Romani) people come from Romania.
The romanians that are in EU countries (Germany, Spain etc) are hard workers, and the employers can testify for that.
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Einstein, read again your reply ^^
You said it`s hard to make the difference between gypsies and romanians (although this is in reality very simple) but you know the little girl is romanian and not a gypsi.
Most certain the girl it`s a gypsi that went with the family touring Europe,and they stayed a long time in France, and even if they have romanian citizenship they are gypsies.
Take in consideration that only gypsies travel in relatively big groups and they take the children with them, it`s their trademark.
Last edited by Meteor; 07-21-2007 at 06:48 AM.
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Einstein, read again your reply ^^
You said it`s hard to make the difference between gypsies and romanians (although this is in reality very simple) but you know the little girl is romanian and not a gypsi.
Most certain the girl it`s a gypsi that went with the family touring Europe,and they stayed a long time in France, and even if they have romanian citizenship they are gypsies.
And you didn`t respond to my question: how DO YOU make the difference between them ?
Claiming asylum in the EU prior to becoming an EU member state is hardly "touring europe".
How do you make the difference between who?
Gypsies
Looks: they have dark hair/eyes,
Smell nasty
Lack of basic manners
Height approx 1.70
As i said they travel in large groups, with childrens, dogs n`****
Romanians couldn`t be more different;
blue or green eyes, brown or blond hair, different height, hygiene at the highest level.
The differences between them are more than obvious, the most important of them all, the romanians WORK for their money.
Well, most of Romanians have dark eyes/hair.
It is a skin colour that made difference. Gypsies have darker skin than Romanians.
What are you banging on about, there are gypsies from many countries, ireland included and they all look different.
The thread is about homeless romanian imigrants.
Again. I said that many people confuse them. Not that it is difficult to distinguish them.
15 days to leave or be deported
Even the Romanian community in Ireland want them deported.Romanian group wants M50 gypsies removed
22 July 2007 By Nicola Cooke
The extended Romanian gypsy family living on a roundabout in Dublin, who have been served immigration papers by gardai, should be removed by the State or more such families will be encouraged to come here, according to an organisation set up to support Romanians in Ireland.
Garda National Immigration Bureau (GNBI) officers yesterday served immigration papers on 86 members of the Rostas family, who have been living at the N2-M50 roundabout for several weeks. Similar documents were also served on those at a derelict house on the Old Swords Road.
The group have 15 days to make representations to Minister for Justice Brian Lenihan as to why he should not make a removal order, in which case they would be transported back to Romania.
Last Thursday, the Health Service Executive (HSE) took three of the Roma children at the roundabout into their care.
One child has now been returned and a HSE spokeswoman said they ‘‘are actively seeking to reunite the other two children with their families’’.
Vasile Ros, the chairman of the Romanian Community of Ireland - a member of the New Communities Partnership of organisations representing minority ethnic groups - said that if the government gave in to the Rostas family’s demands for housing and associated services, more Romanian gypsies would travel to Ireland for this purpose.
‘‘These people are claiming that their situation in Romania is worse than their current setup in Ireland - I find this hard to believe,” he said. ‘‘How did they come up with the means to travel here?
‘‘At the moment, they are looking to get into local authority housing and be provided with meals and clothing - their only consideration of work is begging.
‘‘What they are doing is having a bad impact on the Irish perception of other Romanians living andworking here.”
The large Rostas family have been living in makeshift huts and tents in two separate encampments just off the M50 since shortly after they arrived in Ireland in May. Concern had been expressed about their presence on the busy road.
Yesterday, Travellers’ association Pavee Point called for emergency accommodation to be provided for the Rostas family.
Hi, I’m Romanian and being much confusion in then world I want to say a few words…
1.Romania has about 22 millions people. According to 2002 census, ethnic groups are: Romanian 89.5%, Hungarian 6.6%, Roma 2.5%, Ukrainian 0.3%, German 0.3%, Russian 0.2%, Turkish 0.2%, other 0.4%. So officialy Roma (gypsies) represents only 2.5 % but many of them declare to be of Romanian ethnicity at census because to be a gypsy is not very well seen. Unofficial estimates show a number of about 2 millions Roma with Romanian citizenship.
2.Gypsies came from India in Middle Age and were slaves to Romanian boyars until XIX century. Their story is somewhat similar with afroamericans…but if the blaks ultimately have been integrated into American society, the gysies are still unintegrated in Romanian society. They call themselves Roma and this lead to a confusion with Romanians, giving the fact that Romania has a very large gypsy minority.
3. On the other hand, the Romanians are an south eastern european people wich speaks a language of latin origin (in the same family with French, Italian, Spanish and Portuguse languages) but with slavic and tracian influences. Their name comes from the Roman settlers which colonised south eastern Europe 2000 years ago. To confuse an ethnic Romanian with a gypsy from Romania is like I would say a French magrebian is a gallic Frenchman. Both have French citizenship but I cannot confuse the French (original) people with a minority which offcourse may be respectable (no offence to minorities ).
4. About this case: you know, these gypsies have made a lot of „lobby” for Romania since they are free to travel after 1989 revolution. I don’t want to say „give me a gun now” to welcome after the Irish will deport them but they did a LOT of BAD IMAGE for my country. So much that I see some people are confusing Romanians with Roma. They have the same behavior here as in Irland. Probably will take a few decades until they wil be integrated in Romania and other countries where they live.
Finaly the Romanian Embassy has found a voice.
23 July 2007
M50 Roma have assets, say Gardaí
By Evelyn Ring
MEMBERS of the extended gypsy family living in squalor in Dublin on an M50 roundabout owned substantial property in Romania, it has ben claimed.
Gardaí believe that members of the Rostas family owned property in Romania, some of which has been described as “substantial”.
The Romanian Embassy in Dublin has made similar claims.
The extended family of 32 adults and 22 children told the travellers’ rights group, Pavee Point, that they came from Tileagd in Bihor, north-west of Romania, and lived in mud huts, tents and makeshift houses beside a rubbish dump.
Even living amid shrubbery on one of the busiest road junctions in the country for almost two months was an improvement in their situation, said group member and father of two, Danila Rostas.
On Saturday, garda officers served deportation notices on 86 individuals living on the roundabout on the Ballymun exit of the M50 and across the road at a derelict house on the Old Swords Road.
A spokesperson for the Department of Justice said most of the individuals had been living in Ireland for more than three months and added that there were also public safety issues.
The group, who have refused the Government’s offer of free flights back to Romania, have been warned that the Minister for Justice, Brian Lenihan, intends ordering their removal from the State.
They have been given 15 days to make representations to the minister as to why he should not make a removal order.
While Romanians and Bulgarian citizens are free to travel within the EU, they need work permits to get a job and they are not entitled to State benefits or emergency accommodation.
Last Thursday, the Health Service Executive (HSE) took three of the Roma children living on the roundabout into their care.
One child, a six-month-old baby girl, was returned to her family on Friday. It is understood that the health authority is seeking to reunite the other two children, aged four and 14, with their families.
Chairman of the Romanian community of Ireland, Vasile Ros, warned yesterday that more Roma gypsies would travel to Ireland if the Government gave into the group’s demand for housing and other supports.
He also said the claim made by the Rostas family that their situation was worse in Romania than their set-up in Ireland was hard to believe.
Mr Ros said he was consulting other members of the organisation about organising a research trip to Romania to get what he described as “the full story” on the group’s circumstances.
Director of Pavee Point, Ronnie Fay, said they were disappointed, but not surprised, that the Government’s only response to the Roma crisis was to issue deportation orders.
“We are disappointed that the Government have still not indicated that emergency accommodation will be provided, even as a temporary interim measure,” she said.
The Rromanes Gypsies are NOT Romanians.
Maybe this will shed some light.
As a Romanian guy who spent about 26 years living near gypsies, under the constant intimidating, bullying and antisocial behavior, I believe I have a right to a saying.
Human rights campaigners might waffle as long as they want about the misfortunate Rroma (Rromanes) gypsies being mistreated and disadvantaged by the Romanian authorities and how they are only seeking a chance for a new start of a decent life in a western country.
The political parties representing the Rroma gypsies in the Romanian Parliament are always going on about the unfavorable situation of its ethnic group, in a desperate attempt to distract the attention from the real problem: the total lack of integrity, honesty, reliability, social and economical contribution of the Rromanes.
The reality of it is the Gypsies have No intention of living normal lives, or any intention to ever work or contribute to the society, any society that might be.
I know it might sound drastic, but they actually prefer to live parasiting lives, focusing all their efforts and creativity on new ways to live on some others earning, or finding new ways of robbing, stealing, cheating, tricking, dodging, evading, screwing, faking so that they can get an undeserved income.
Furthermore, the experience, not only in Romania, clearly shows how Gypsies never bother to respect the local culture and people, never intending to integrate into the society and its local norms or making any effort in that direction. Just take a quick browse of the WWW and read various opinions of people around the globe who got in touch with any of the gypsies "missionaries".
As the communism collapsed 17 years ago, they were free to roam and spread their grotesque culture, their rude, uncivilized, untidy and unwashed presence all over Europe, under the pretence that they were looking for an escape. Typically using a Romanian Passport.
Don't get me wrong, the 50 years of communism were a national plague and the damage was huge, all the Romanians have suffered tremendous consequences.
But back then as nowadays, whenever the Government or non-governmental organizations made an effort to place Gypsies in social houses, the houses were shortly vandalized, the wooden floors burnt in bonfires and the horses brought in the livingrooms. The neighborhoods were turn into deplorable slums, where you wouldn't want to lose your dog. Soon after the Gypsies and their many many kids filled again the waiting rooms of the City Halls applying for new ones.
Very few people know about the so-called "un-written Gypsy Law code". It is a set of brutal rules that defy any human dignity and indeed any human reasoning.
Only one quick glimpse in it:
" A Gypsy is bound to pay compensation in gold and horses if he is caught robbing another Gypsy, but can walk totally guilt free if he robes a Romanian.
A Gypsy has to pay a few kg of gold and a few cars to the family of a Gypsy girl that he has raped, but he is guilt free if he's raped a Romanian woman."
They are used by the Gypsy community as a standard code to literally judge and convict its members, within a Gypsy tribunal called Stabor.
The new events on the Irish M50 motorway only confirm what I've just told.
Gypsies are a parasiting sub-specie that uses any means beyond or the worst nightmare, to achieve some living without working. The emotional display that shock the Irish, poorly dressed kids begging, some of them with malformities, are unfortunately only a pathetic cover for other various crime activities: pick pocketing, shoplifting, car and house theft, breaking in, card fraud, so on. All with a very cheeky and intruding attitude.
Can you imagine the shock of an unsuspecting Irish young female driver, which would have the unlucky idea to stop at the traffic light on that roundabout at 11:PM and have her car window open? Amd no other cars around. Can you figure out the extents the Gypsies are ready to go to?
Well, just allow me a quick real story. Very real and documented. It happened to my father about 20 years ago, while he was driving in my city -Constanta, in the south east of Romania, on the coast.
He was only minutes away from his destination, an aunt's house, when he took a very slow right turn. Only a few meters after the turn he heard a bang on the left side of the car. As the car speed was really low he instantly braked and stopped. He jumped out of the car to discover a little gypsy kid sitting up by the car! He asked him if he was all right, the kid said "yeah. I am."
Meanwhile from the opposite side if the road the Gypsy mother came storming, saying to my father that everything was OK and he could carry on with his journey.
After a few turned-down attempts of offering a lift to a hospital just for a routine checkout, my father drove away.
Only one hour later, at our house, my mother received a visit of a Police squad, informing her that my father was a hit-and-run driver involved in a road accident with human casualties!!!!
As my father immediately met the Police at the accident scene, a random resident who witnessed the incident from the balcony of his apartment, came down and voluntarily told the Police what he saw.
The woman deliberately beckoned the young child to join her on the other side of the street exactly when the car made its safe turn!!! The perfect staged accident, the greatest chance for a fat claim!!!
The investigation was closed and my father cleared of any charges.
Warning for the Irish Motorists: the Rroma Gypsies are far smarter than they look and they certainly know one thing: with a little help from the accident claim solicitors they can work miracles.
A news clip of the camp.
http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/0723/rom...72246,null,230
Christians experiences sound familiar even though I'm from another part of Europe.
The Roma culture has been problematic here too (even in comparison to other more "foreign" cultures from Africa and Asia) and has proven almost impossible to assimilate into a productive and law abiding part of the society despite all the efforts. Still the majority of Roma choose to live outside the norms as officially unemployed, semi-nomadic, often outright criminal and taking advantage of their minority status and cultural heritage to justify it.
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