Reply With QuoteEven if the round didnt defeat the armor there would still be some scoring from the blast.
I was under the impression the coverage of this armor was pretty slight. Though I guess I never considered that they could have just fired and hit one of the armor plates!
I admittedly know nothing about chobham, but there have been threads posted here previously about Abrams taking hits from RPGs and suffering critical damage as a result. I assumed that the armor on an APC wouldn't be as effective. Learn something new everyday!
EDIT: Nevermind, I did know what Chobham armor was:
"To date, only 5-10 Chobham protected tanks have been defeated in combat, including an M1 that was hit by an RPG-7 in the second Iraqi War."
I guess I failed to think about the fact that it might have hit the turret...Still, when the warrior equips Chobham does it use the extra tungstun/DU shielding? I would think that'd be too much weight.
Even if the round didnt defeat the armor there would still be some scoring from the blast.
My thoughts exactly. When you get hit with an RPG-7 - Chobham or no Chobham - you know it. Also I wouldn't say APC Chobham will stop an RPG round everytime. You say that Chobham armor will stop "main battle tank rounds" but the fact of the matter is that it'll stop HEAT or sabot rounds but only when reinforced with DU (like on the Abrams), RHA and conventional steel plates.
Chances are the Chobham will stop it but I don't think that the APC will be carrying Chobham over very much of its surface and I doubt it will be properly reinforced like on main battle tanks. Granted, I don't know.
What's a warrior?
Turret cage. protects crew when turret turns
- LAW Light Anti-Armour Weapon
- 94mm
- Range 500m
- Boiling vessel for heating water and rations
- GPMG General Perpose Machine gun
- Calibre 7.62mm
- Range 1100m
- Rate of Fire 750 per minute
- SA80 Rifle calibre 5.56mm
- Mortor hatch
- Breech for Rarden cannon
- Calibre 30mm
- Commanders service box
- Controls all electrical equipment in the turret
- Peri 30
- Commanders periscope
- Enables turret crew to look round 360
- Gunners sight
- He can engage targets with both 30mm Rarden and machinegun
- Vehicle radio
- Can communicate 25km
- Commanders seat
- Gunners seat
- Rarden cannon
- Calibre 30mm
- Range 1500m
- Running Gear
- Tracks
- Gas-suspension
- Excellent cross-country performance
- Engine
- Rolls Royce CV8 turbo charged Diesel
Warrior
The Warrior Infantry Fighting Vehicle has the speed and performance to keep up with Challenger 2 Main Battle Tanks over the most difficult terrain, and the firepower and armour to support infantry in the assault.
A highly successful armoured fighting vehicle, Warrior can be fitted with Enhanced Armour and is continuously updated; for example, the Battle Group Thermal Imager (BGTI) is being fitted to increase its night-fighting capability.
Warrior infantry command and section vehicles carry a turret-mounted 30mm Rarden Cannon that will defeat light-armoured vehicles at a range of up to 1,500m. An 8x magnification image-intensifying night sight is fitted, and eight 94mm Light Anti-Armour Weapons (LAW) can be stowed in the vehicle.
Warrior variants include artillery Observation Post Vehicles (OPV) and Command Post Vehicles (CPV), along with a Royal Electrical and Mechanical Engineers (REME) recovery and repair vehicle. All variants are equipped with 7.62mm chain gun.
Crew 3
Passengers can carry up to 7 troops
Weight 24,000 kg
Width 3.034m
Length 6.34m
Height to turret top 2.791m
Ground clearance 0.49m
Maximum Range 660 km
Maximum Speed 75 kph
Engine Rolls-Royce CV8 diesel
Main armament 1x 30mm L21 Rarden Cannon
Secondary armament 7.62mm Co-axial chain gun and smoke dischargers
http://www.army.mod.uk/equipment/av/av_war.htm
Oh. That's a warrior.
pics on page 1.
(go me)
Anyone have any word on the turret upgrade planned?
The warrior kind of looks like the Bradely? Were they based on one another?
No- they were designed independant of each other, although they both set out with the idea of doing roughly the same thing. I'm told that he inspiration for both lay with the appearance of the Russian BMP.
The earliest designs of the Bradley has a single man turret like the BMP-1. This was changed to the current two man configuration after the BMP-2 appeared and the implications discussed. (with a single man turret with the gunner in the turret the commander is positioned in the hull and does not ahve a good view of the battlefield. With a two man turret the commander has a much better view and access to better optics etc.
The Warrior does not have an integral ATGM like the Bradley, but then AIFVs have proven they have no business taking on MBTs. (Imagine a Bradley stopping to fire a just supersonic TOW at a T-64 that is 3km away, with the T-64 returning fire with a 125mm APFSDS round at 5 times the speed of sound...)
I have heard that the Warrior withstood a hit from a Challanger during DS, but it was only a HESH round that hit addon Spaced armour. HESH is useless against spaced armour so it said more about the performance of Challanger ammo than Warrior armour.
A warrior (FV510) was hit by an APFDS round from a Ch1 on Op Granby. There was some damage to 2 of the Chobham plates and minor injuries to the dismounts...Originally Posted by Spooky
1. Desert Warrior carries the Bradley turret, so it does have an integral ATGM capability.
2. Balls - see my comments above (BTW Chobham is not 'add on spaced armour')
Do any of the British Army's? I've heard vague rumours about some being fitted with MILAN, but can't find any details.
Desert warfare is not the same as the expected war in Europe, the addition of Ti sights and long range ATGMs makes sense in the flat open terrain where the allied forces liked to engage targets that couldn't even see them let alone fire back.1. Desert Warrior carries the Bradley turret, so it does have an integral ATGM capability.
I was talking about the Warrior, not any variants.
Externally mounted added armour will act like spaced armour, whether it has a cavity in it or not. HESH works by sending a shockwave through homogenous armour to scab off material inside the vehicle. The empty space between the back of the addon armour and the vehicles actual armour makes it completely ineffective. Anti Spalling linings also reduce the effectiveness of such an antiquated round that no one else seem to bother with.2. Balls - see my comments above (BTW Chobham is not 'add on spaced armour')
Probably a bit too short ranged... at 2km you don't want to stop to fire an ATGM at a real tank. It would have the advantage of being a bit more dismountable than a heavier weapon like TOW. The AT-4/-5 launcher on the BMP-2 and upgraded BMP-1s was designed to be dismountable for use by troops, but the extra range of the AT-5 would make it more useful even if it couldn't penetrate as much armour as the Milan.Do any of the British Army's? I've heard vague rumours about some being fitted with MILAN, but can't find any details.
RTFQ, or words to that effect. We're not talking about HESH - we're talking about APFDS.
I WAS TALKING ABOUT HESH. If you say "balls" to someone at least have the manners to read what they wrote.RTFQ, or words to that effect. We're not talking about HESH - we're talking about APFDS.
I mentioned an incident during Desert Storm involving HESH ammo. I realise someone else was discussing another incident regarding APDS rounds... the fact that you confused the two is your problem, not mine. I read this thread properly... perhaps you should too.
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