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    Quote Originally Posted by Esko Mörkö View Post
    This vest is made only for ISAF, pure sh... It´s designed for CIMIC-operations, there is no mag pouches etc .
    Also used by KFOR:



    But yeah, it is apparently only for international operations, no domestic units seem to use it.

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    I don't know if these have been posted already in another thread. But the photographer that took these pictures is excellent. Really manages to 'catch' the expressions on people's faces. I am never able to do that, all photos I take just look gloomy and people look like dead fish Big picture gallery from a live fire exercise from Reserve Officer School's course 230. I will just post a few nice ones.

    http://tietokannat.mil.fi/ruk230/gal...i_FI&page_id=8

















    Really inspires me. I should take a photo course... and perhaps buying a proper camera helps too

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    Thanks for the many photos you gents have posted!
    I always found it interesting that Finland and Yugoslavia (before its break-up!) used a mix of Western and USSR armaments!
    I see that in this thread, the Finns have begun a shift to more Western armaments. (Like Leopard tanks and SPIKE AT launcher!) What else has the Ministry of Defense looked at procureing for the FDF in the future?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Esko Mörkö View Post
    Also note sling of his weapon, it´s made by HK and modified in Finland (Exclellent piece of kit) and headset of LV-141 (Tadiran PRR). That´s much better than army´s version. Fcuk the navy, fancier uniforms and better headsets...
    Just gave me the biggest smile, I have always heard stories from these bitter guys that went to kjk in the 90's about how the equipment sucks et.c. et.c. I'm going now in the first contingent 08 (January).

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    Quote Originally Posted by haze99 View Post
    I see that in this thread, the Finns have begun a shift to more Western armaments. (Like Leopard tanks and SPIKE AT launcher!) What else has the Ministry of Defense looked at procureing for the FDF in the future?
    This is true. The FDF recently purchased used M270 MLRS from the Netherlands, and is in the process of buying 20 much-delayed NH90 helicopters. Quantities of the new M05 personal equipment are gradually going into service. The FDF is also buying Patria AMV APCs and the AMOS 120 mm mortar version of it (the latter is still being developed). The Army going to buy hundreds of the latest Sisu trucks, including bridgelaying versions etc, I think there was a picture thread about it a while back. The Air Force is buying Casa C-295 transport planes. ASRAD-R short range SAMs have been purchased for air defence.

    The relatively small amounts of RK 95 are still the best assault rifles but Aimpoint and ACOG sights are now being used in some units. HK69A1 grenade pistols and H&K GMG grenade machineguns have been purchased recently. The Panzerfaust 3 has been tested seems to be the most likely candidate to replace the APILAS system in the future.

    A few years ago, the FDF tested several self-propelled artillery systems and the PzH 2000 was the winner, but it was deemed too expensive in the end. It is a shame, I think the PzH 2000 would be needed much more than helicopters and would be much cheaper in relation to their importance.

    This is all off the top of my head, correct me if I'm wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpl.K View Post
    A few years ago, the FDF tested several self-propelled artillery systems and the PzH 2000 was the winner, but it was deemed too expensive in the end. It is a shame, I think the PzH 2000 would be needed much more than helicopters and would be much cheaper in relation to their importance.

    This is all off the top of my head, correct me if I'm wrong.
    Well self-propelled artillery is better in case of a conventional war with the Russians, but helicopters are much better anytime else, and hopefully a conventional war isn't likely during our lifetime. By the way, I read that in Finland the Ministry of Interior wants the Border Guard and Army to take over all the medic and rescue helicopter service, that is today provided by private companies.

    Well it would be 'great' if the Army got their helicopters first. Now they even have to send two Mi-8's to be refurbished in Russia and cram out another five years of those old airframes.

    When speaking of too expensive, don't forget that the military wanted escort/attack helicopters as well, but it was deemed as too costly by the Parliament. As a 'compromise' it was instead decided that the Hornets would get air-to-ground capability when they will undergo their midlife upgrade. Not sure what to think about that. I just don't see a need for it. But then again knowing Finnish politicians Finland could just as well be in NATO in a few years no matter what the people thinks about it, and send a few planes to Afghanistan. Who knows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpl.K View Post
    A few years ago, the FDF tested several self-propelled artillery systems and the PzH 2000 was the winner, but it was deemed too expensive in the end. It is a shame, I think the PzH 2000 would be needed much more than helicopters and would be much cheaper in relation to their importance.

    This is all off the top of my head, correct me if I'm wrong.
    I too have a feeling that national defense capability was swept under the carpet when the helicopter deal was made. Or at least the priorities seem rather strange. We could have bought craploads of AMV, AMOS, modern AT weapons or a handful of Pzh2000s instead. I can't quite comprehend how are we supposed to stop armored russian spearheads with those choppers or actually even be able to use them when the neighbour has air superiority.

    I guess professional soldiers had to get their toys for their glorious adventures in Middle east/wherever they wish to go to fight a "real war". I just wish they would have settled for less than 20.

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    The chopper deal is just a big **** up.

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    The FDF is trying to have its cake and eat it too. The FDF needs to get with the times and develop its international operations, but it is obvious that we aren't going to be able to have true expeditionary capability, CAS planes etc. like the Swedes, who have nothing else to spend their money on since they don't have a real defence force anymore.

    We still have an invasion defence to maintain, and while a couple of much-needed air interdiction fighters are outfitted with some AG capability some of our supposedly best "readiness" brigades are equipped with towed artillery and some peacekeeping APCs, with inadequate air defence etc. Instead of fixing basic problems money is to be wasted on single pie-in-the-sky projects, like some huge amount of helicopters. At least AMOS and MLRS are a step in the right direction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jurpula View Post
    The chopper deal is just a big **** up.
    Yea... What is taking so long? ...looks ready to go.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TJ0 View Post
    Yea... What is taking so long? ...looks ready to go.
    Apparently several helicopters are ready, but, they have not received a type-certification green light from the Finnish military aviation authorities. And this will not be done before the manufacturer gives their green light. The manufacturer has paid the highest possible fines of EUR 16 million over the delay of the helicopter deliveries. Unfortunately now some of those money must be spent on two Mi-8's that will be sent to Saint Petersburg for refurbishment.

    But I must admit, the NH-90 in Finnish camo and with that blue and white roundel, it looks drop dead sexy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Urquell View Post
    Apparently several helicopters are ready, but, they have not received a type-certification green light from the Finnish military aviation authorities. And this will not be done before the manufacturer gives their green light. The manufacturer has paid the highest possible fines of EUR 16 million over the delay of the helicopter deliveries. Unfortunately now some of those money must be spent on two Mi-8's that will be sent to Saint Petersburg for refurbishment.
    The most recent plan B is that Blackhawk choppers could maybe be rented/bought from the US should the NH90 deal become completely screwed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpl.K View Post
    ITK 61 operators are relatively rare. I only know one operator (reservist officer) in real life. I don't know if you will get a real answer here, but mil.fi puts the maximum range to an airborne target at 2000 meters.
    Firts of they are not rare, theres something like 3000 of these cannons, at least, making it maybe the most numerous heavy weapon on inventory and it is the main aa weapon of the force, secondly the gun crew is 7 that adds to the number of "operators". And lastly what it is used against, mainly helicopter and low flying aircrafts, drones and such but firing upon surface targets, trucks, jeeps, light armor / apc's, naval landing craft and of course live force (infranty) is much practiced, maybe 50-50 with the aa-shooting. And still, of the range, its usually practiced to open fire against JETs at 1800m but you can deal harrasment out to 3000 if you must (and if it hits with will hurt, talk about spitfire 2x17 23mm rounds per second ).

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    I do not get the NH90 delay for the Finland, Sweden have now got their first NH90 and the crews are no getting home from education in france. And the first bunch of NH90 for Sweden will be the TTH/High-Cabin so way do not Finland get the green light for their helicopters? They choose the standard model.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andreen View Post
    They choose the standard model.
    Some info I read in Helsingin Sanomat: According to Colonel Heikki Karppinen who is responsible for airworthiness approval certification at the Defence Command, the airworthiness approval process can be gone through in the space of weeks once Eurocopter gives their green light. Due to negotations between FDF and Eurocopter the FDF isn't saying anything about the reason to the delays.

    The FDF model isn't completely 'standard', had that been the case they would already have been given that green light. The Germans got their at the end of last year. All countries ordering the helicopters want slight alterations to suit their particular needs.

    There is some strange bureaucracy as well. The Patria Aerostructures unit is manufacturing the rear sections of at least 150 NH90 helicopters out of composite structures. This includes the helicopters ordered by Finland and Sweden. However, the bodies are to be taken by lorry first to Italy, from there to France, and from there back to Jämsä, because the helicopter is classified as a weapon, and an export licence has been acquired for delivery from France to Finland.


    Patria factory in Kuorevesi with one of the NH-90 being assembled.

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