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    Jesus, this thread should be sent to Al Queda as a misinformation op.

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    Ok I'm going to try my best at this:

    Delta/CAG/whatever. Cream of the crop, counter-terrorism is their main mission, but of course they do other things. I don't know their numbers, but it's very small. Selection is like ****ing 40 mile land nav courses with 500lbs rucks in flip-flops. By the way, these guys are not Special Forces and aren't even remotely related to SF. SFOD is just a ****ing name. They don't fall under USASOC, but instead JSOC. Delta basically runs JSOC.

    ST6/DEVGRU/Whatever. This is what most people think when they think SEALs. Counter-terrorism is their main mission, but probably more training towards the maritime stuff. Think water platforms and boats. Honestly, I'm not sure. Overseas they just do the same **** Delta does. Also, part of JSOC, I don't believe they fall under NSW though. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

    Special Forces/Green Berets/Whatever. The stereotypical mission is to infil secretly in some tyrannical country, work with the indigenious foces, train them up in guerilla warfare, and then have those guys start up an insurgency. I can't say that's what I've always heard what they do. One of the things they emphasis probably more than other SOFs is language training. They fall under USASOC.

    Rangers/Battboys/Whatever. Premier, elite infantry whatever. Oddly enough SF and Ranger claim some of the same unit lineage. The stereotypical missions usually involve airfield siezures and raids and such. Overseas depending on what AO you deploy to, you could be pulling security/BPs for Tier 1 units, or end up being main effort. It's nothing, but insurgent extract and what they call sensitive site exploitation(SSE) Basically involves gathering evidence to incriminate believed insurgents. This is basically what all SOF are doing overseas. The Regiment has other elements, which do other sort of missions. Each battalion has a Recce Platoon, and their are also 3 Ranger Recon teams at the Regimental level. They fall under both JSOC and USASOC.

    160th SOAR/Night Stalkers/Whatever. They give SOF rides in helicopters. Enough said. Part of JSOC and USASOC. Really scared to fly out during day/they never do it ie if you don't exfil by 0530, you're camping out in somebody's house.

    Navy SEALs/OMG SEALs/Whatever. Do I really need to say anything about these guys. It's mainly a direct action unit. **** if I know what regular Navy SEALs are doing overseas. ST3 seemed to do a bunch of nothing where I was deployed last, but then again they could have been doing a bunch of hooah **** during the day while I was sleeping. Probably the same snatch and grab ****/SSE everybody else is doing.

    Special Boat Teams. A bunch of guys with cool guy kit that gave us rides in boats down the Euphrates. Not positive if they ever get off the boats and do other ****. Someone let me know.

    Pararescue. Basically they rescue people and give medical attention. Typically pretty mean looking guys.

    Combat Controllers. They direct air traffic and seem to double up as FOs.

    Combat Weathermen. Yeah don't ask me.

    Marine SOBs. Yeah its a new unit. **** if I know what they are doing. Probably snatch and grab/SSE just like everybody ****ing else.

    Probably a bunch of this **** is wrong or ****ed up and I really don't give a ****. Probably only the commander of SOCOM really knows what the **** is going on.

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    USMC. Nuff said . Lock thread.

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    But where does the uber-cool kit, ultra awesome, super mobile airsoft ninja regiment fit into this mix?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canadian Sig View Post
    But where does the uber-cool kit, ultra awesome, super mobile airsoft ninja regiment fit into this mix?
    The guys with beards and secret nods?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrivatePyle View Post
    The guys with beards and secret nods?
    and a seemingly limitless budget for super-gucci kit.....

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    BrianT, I don't know if you were being sarcastic or not, but that was some funny shyte. I had bourbon coming out of my nose.

    Whisky, asking why the US has so many SOF is like asking why there are so many beer flavors. It doesn't matter why, just enjoy that they are there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrianT View Post
    Marine SOBs.
    I like the ring of that.

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    Was thinking the same thing CJ. Making my brain hurt...

    Okay Whisky...

    1. Remember there are two pertinent commands in the US structure relevant to your question- USSOCOM and JSOC.

    USSOCOM oversees all special operations forces in the US military- AFSOC, ARSOC, NAVSPECWARCOM. Thus Army SF, Rangers, Civil Affairs, PSYOP; Navy Special Warfare; USAF Special Tactics etc etc etc.

    Each of these component commands and indeed each of their units has a specific set of tasks in their role- Army SF have Foreign Internal Defense for instance which is training foreign forces whilst CA obviously have the mandate for all CA ops etc etc etc.

    JSOC which is a subordinate command under USSOCOM oversees all special mission units including Delta. JSOC has a specialist direct action CT mandate.

    I hope you can understand from the above that each unit has their own role under USSOCOM and whilst there is some interchange and 'in extremis' tasking they pretty much stay in lane.

    Your idea of "do(ing) away with Green Berets and any other army special forces regiment and organise any army soldier who wants to become spec ops to get into Delta" doesn't work as Delta has a very specific role and SF have a very specific role.

    Want to raise and train a guerilla army? Army SF. Want to kill/snatch a bad guy in a hostile location? Delta. As I say there is interchange, for instance with SF carrying out DA operations, but each has a defined role that they train and prepare for.

    A British comparison would be- let's lump everyone into the SBS. Wouldn't work as I've illustrated- SBS have a distinct role, SAS has a distinct role, SFSG have theirs, SRR theirs etc etc etc. Seeing where I'm going with this?

    2. M4 replacement? USSOCOM are issuing the SCAR family. JSOC, a component command of USSOCOM remember, are issuing the 416 to some of their guys who have a lot of latitude on equipment selection. M4s will be around for a long time to come though as the SCARs trickle down through the system.

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    Im confused...

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    Theres also the Strategic Support Branch, Intelligence Support Activity, and Special Activities Division (CIA), all aka best of the best of the best of the best.

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    Thank You Chops, I learned something.

    Quote Originally Posted by BrianT View Post

    160th SOAR/Night Stalkers/Whatever. They give SOF rides in helicopters. Enough said. Part of JSOC and USASOC. Really scared to fly out during day/they never do it ie if you don't exfil by 0530, you're camping out in somebody's house.
    That was....... just so wrong !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Covert_US View Post
    Theres also the Strategic Support Branch, Intelligence Support Activity, and Special Activities Division (CIA), all aka best of the best of the best of the best.
    What are you talking about little boy? One of the above doesn't have shooters, one of the others falls under JSOC and the other is not even military. Don't think that by throwing out a few uber cool names you are somewhow in the know- in fact you have two of them wrong. And whats with this "best of best" crap- seriously grow the **** up- you are certainly living up to your award.

    ****.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chops View Post
    What are you talking about little boy? One of the above doesn't have shooters, one of the others falls under JSOC and the other is not even military. Don't think that by throwing out a few uber cool names you are somewhow in the know- in fact you have two of them wrong. And whats with this "best of best" crap- seriously grow the **** up- you are certainly living up to your award.

    ****.
    I'd never encountered this guy before on here, but the name 'COVERT_US' just screams idiot to me.

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    Oh read some of his post history mate- pure gold wanker

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