These Turkish indeed know where to hit.
Turkey may cut support to US over Armenia bill - MP
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...457499,00.htmlTurkey may cut logistic support to US troops in Iraq if the US Congress backs a bill branding as genocide the 1915 massacres of Armenians by Ottoman Turks, a senior ruling AK Party lawmaker was quoted as saying on Monday.
Congress's Foreign Affairs Committee is expected to approve on Wednesday a bill on the genocide issue and speaker Nancy Pelosi, a known supporter of the Armenian cause, could then decide to bring it to the House floor for a vote. (*******)
These Turkish indeed know where to hit.
Well I say let the Turks alienate them selves from the West I don’t even think they should be part of NATO my self the Turks bring their own troubles on them selves if they want to alienate their only allies when they are surrounded by hostile neighbors on all sides let them.
Let historians to make their job instead of using politicians...It is not important and clearly, Turkey will never accept claims that had never done.
Politics,politicians...And of Course, no any USA Admin (now, Bush) will accept Armenian Bill, never done before,never will in the future. Turkey is a very crucial country and no any US President can lose him for any bill.
Dreams and realities...
regards,
CDTRF
I believe that they will eventually pass the bill and the Armenian Genocide will be officially recognized. Many individual States have recognized it already.Originally Posted by Clearday-TRForce
CD, dont forget that the US is more important to you than you are to the Americans. And thats the way it is.
"Threatening" them is not a very prudent approach.
Achilles (hi mate, long time), no any importance for our side to see you in acceptance by one sided. Turkey is position is clear on this issue that "we will never accept claims that is not proved by world-historians with consencus.*"
Politicians take decisions, now this one can be one of them but I again,no any President of USA can accept it..if it is now, then again nothing chance for us. Politics, policies,politicians...No one cares many genocides in the world by USA and Europeans, so what is new here for us?
Politics,politicians...and the other thing, Turkey-USA relations is more important than USA-Turkey relations...Yes we discuss it nowadays in Turkey...there are other ways in life, if it goes same like after our "NO to USA from Turkish lands for IRAQ war desicion"...it is a decision poltics,but yes it is still politics...
regards,
CDTRF
Mate, there is no global consensus about practically any historical issue. There will always be historians favoring one side as opposed to others who advocate another side of the same story. I believe that a "fact" is something that is broadly recognized and corroborated by sufficient historical/scientific evidence.
Of course both Americans and Europeans are responsible for genocides / large-scale massacres. What differentiates Turkey regarding that matter is its persistence in denying things or sweeping facts under the carpet.
I believe that it would be beneficial even for Turkey to eventually admit and recognize her past, if you are about to become part of the European family.
Mate, is it a European accession rule to enter EU? If it is, is it new?
On the other hand, we dont sweep under carpet, we also accept massacres, but one difference from the both side...but you still want to look at it from one side...There are Turkish massacres and Armenian massacres, but you just want to accept only one side, why?
You say there is no global consensus..but how about Jewish Genocide? isnt there a concensus?
To my knowledge, France has no direct responsibility for the Genocide in Rwanda. The "West" did not work hard to prevent the massacres, however the killings took place between Hutus and Tutsis. Rwanda's 2 major tribes.Mate, is it a European accession rule to enter EU? If it is, is it new?
Unfortunately you dont admit what you did to the Christian populations of the Ottoman Empire. I have yet to meet a French who denies that his country committed wholesale massacres in Algeria. The Americans and Spaniards do not deny the slaughtering of native Americans.
Thats the difference between Turkey and other countries who committed similar crimes. Hell, the Germans admitted the Jewish Holocaust.
There are always "historians" denying the facts and distoring the numbers. The Jewish Genocide does not escape that pattern.
Is there an other agenda? Whats Christian population agenda while we are writing Armenian one? joke? a new deal? bill? Achilles, the situation is well understood and sorry it doesn't go anywhere like this and I will not a toy for you to say everything what you think...
Yeah, we are evil, you are angel...Politics,policies,polticians...
best wishes,
CDTRF
Hopefully, the US Congress with do the right thing, and follow their conscience on this.......
An anti-war Congress backs a Bill likely to cause an Ally to withdraw logistical support important to the conduct of said War?
Never!!!
The "Armenian Issue" is a cover for something that the Democrats are actually interested in.
All i am saying is that apart from Armenians, way too many Greeks and Assyrians died. Its all over decent history books.
Lets leave it to that. You will deny everything i say and we will end up in the middle of nowhere once more.
Question: How many Turkish Americans vote in the United States compared to the Armenian-Americans?
All politics are local my friend.
True dat, though 40 of the 50 states have already recognize the genocide. So probably smoother sailing for the bill in the Senate.
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