thank you zoneone and kersh... i've seen that document a few times and came to the same conclusion.
the 310r is shorter (looks like it)
my big problem is that the store has the description of the 310R but a pic of the long flash light.
i sent them a mail and asked if the two looked identical and i recieved a mail back with the
link to the desired flashlight (the one that shows the long lamp with the 310r description)
they told me to look at the pic... that was the light.
this is rather confusing now and i sure don't want to buy the wrong thing.
you might say i ought to believe what they tell me. but do you think the guy/woman that answers the mails actually
knows what the products really look like, or checked it for me. some how i don't
Basically purely from a lighting point of view 6v is to my eyes at least a brighter light compared to most 3v systems. (Not just on Surefire's, my job involves low voltage lighting solutions.)
Having said that you really need to think about:
1) What are you going to use it for, what distances do you need the beam to travel? Is it for an "in your house at dark o'clock in the morning type light" or more general purpose?
2) How bothered are you about battery costs, obviously a 3v system using the same number of batteries as a 6v system will last longer (Im not sure they do use the same amount so don't quote me here). Although even a 6V is nothing compared to some of the 9v lights around using CR123's.
Finally generally to anyone, is the barrel of the light protruding past the muzzle a problem?
The 6-volt light will hold 2 x 3Volt lithium batteries and will produce 65 lumens of light for approximately 1 hour. The light itself will of course be longer and protrude past the barrel since the batteries are stacked one in front of the other. This is not really an issue, and the bezel can be used as a stand-off device and used for jabbing at very close range without causing the pistol to malfunction. The 3-volt light will only produce 15 lumens of light for the same 1 hour of runtime from a single 3Volt Lithium battery. I suggest you go with the 6-volt system as 15 lumens is somewhat on the dim side for a tactical light, and will not be bright enough to blind. Also, on the plus side, the 6-volt light comes with the P60 Lamp Assy as standard, but you can easily upgrade to the high-output P61 Lamp Assy that produces 120 lumens of light, although at a limited 20-minute runtime. No such upgrade is possible with the 3-volt.
I would also suggest you look into the Surefire X200A LED TacLight. It is much more compact (2 x lithium batteries are side-by-side), the LED is shockproof and offers a much longer runtime. But you will need a rail adapter (also available from Surefire) if your 1911 does not already come with a rail built into the frame.
Feel free to ask me any Surefire questions as I am a distributor. If I don't know the answer, I can always get the correct answer from the manufacturer.
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thank you very much for the details Incoherent. i appreciate it.
no, my 1911 does not have a rail. And that is one reason why i was looking for this particular lamp.
I also would like this lamp a lot because i think it looks good (people might debate about whether or not that's a reason to pick this one).
I guess the other surefire lamps with a rail mount would be an option too...
some people would also call it better because it can be detached faster.
however it would require one of those after market mountable rails
and the gun wouldn't fit into a kydex holster anyway... so it's more of a permanent choice anyway.
the store i ordered my 610R at said that Surefire no longer has it in production. Is that true?
they did offer me the 310R... is that one still in production?
and more importantly can you upgrade it to a 610R?
All you really need is a 6V lamp housing and a P60 6V lamp/reflector (according to the link in ZoneOne's post)
Let me double check with Surefire. The 610R is still in my 2006 price list but no longer featured in this year's catalogue. Upgrading from 3-volts to 6-volts will require either a P60 or P61 lamp assy, and an L60 6-volt lamp module.
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I keep reading on surefire.com that the light can be used as a self defense measure by blinding the attacker, ruining his night vision*. Does anyone here actually know how many lumen you need to induce this?
*with night vision I mean street light adapted vision… not full blown desert darkness.
Can you recommend other, cheaper companies which make torches advertised with this function? Like night lite from BHI, do they mention which are bright enough?
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ooops meant lumen....
when is the last time you took out 1.000.000 candles to see something.. how bright is a candle... I find it a strange way of explaining the brightness of a lamp.
and I doubt one candle in the whole darkness will blind you... Im talking about effectivly blinding!
I used a 1, 000, 000 candle powere light just last night. I sure woulndt want anyone to put that in my eyes in the dark.............
A guy on my old crew had one of those surfires..I was about 20 feet away and he wanted to demo on me the effectivness of this lite..I saw spots for about 30 minutes..I couldnt belive such a small light could put off so much light and mny eyes were focused on low light as we were in a semi urban enviroment.....
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