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[shocker1]

the one circled is the cuplrit, i can take a picture later on today and post it if it would help to show you where i am having my issues with it. the possibility of it being the balance shaft seal is small. i'll get ya some pics..sorry to lead you on like this

Ok, that be the front crank seal that you have marked right? Just ask for a front crank seal. If that does not work I don't know how much better to describe it. What parts store is this? Do they not have parts views on the computer? If they are thumbing through catalogs leave!

[remo williams]

Originally Posted by zonk
the one circled is the cuplrit, i can take a picture later on today and post it if it would help to show you where i am having my issues with it. the possibility of it being the balance shaft seal is small. i'll get ya some pics..sorry to lead you on like this

Crankshaft seal...pack a lunch. You'll be taking the motor out you realize, unless you have a lift. I don't see there being enough space to get the old one out and drive the new one in without taking it out. You'll want to check the shaft around the seal fitting for wear. If there are rings it may need replacing as this can indicate play, and will channel the oil more efficiently out of the block. Question...is this a daily driver or a speed racer special?

[tuercas]

i know its nothing spectacular but i am nearing 156k miles on my civic, they are damn good cars and 98% of everything that was originally put on the car is still working.

i had a question for shocker. on the crank(1.5l sohc) by the crank pulley is there a seal that goes behind there? because that is where the oil leak on my car is coming from. I am having trouble finding the seal at local auto parts stores. not to mention getting the redneck behind the counter who regards young people as idiots..

if you are shopping at autozone or any major outlet, ask for a timing cover seal kit. it will include all the seals you need since you will be taking off the timing cover you migth as well replace that seal as well . this kit will include the crankshaft seal that you need . stress to the parts counter guy that you dont need the main seal , which is the seal at the rear of the crankshaft at the flywheel, the parts guys often confuse these seals. dont know the year of your civic but for a 95 civic with 1.5l the kit number at autozone is felpro TCS45879

[zonk]

Crankshaft seal...pack a lunch. You'll be taking the motor out you realize, unless you have a lift. I don't see there being enough space to get the old one out and drive the new one in without taking it out. You'll want to check the shaft around the seal fitting for wear. If there are rings it may need replacing as this can indicate play, and will channel the oil more efficiently out of the block. Question...is this a daily driver or a speed racer special?

it's a daily driver, i have put performance parts on it and yes thay have positive effects but i dont take advantage of them being the speed limit is 30 mph out here and its rediculous to go any faster because anything over 3rd gear is speeding anyhow in this town. yeah i am not looking forward to the prospect of changing that seal, it is the crank seal just got under and looked. i have about 6 inches to work with if i remove the alternator and the a compressor. i went to advance autop part sand they didnt have it but i still have auto zone and o'reilly's auto parts. i think this will probably be 5 dollar seal with 12 hours labor for amateur lol i just honestly dont have the cash for a mechanic and ntm knowledge is power but a headache is a bitch

[shocker1]

it's a daily driver, i have put performance parts on it and yes thay have positive effects but i dont take advantage of them being the speed limit is 30 mph out here and its rediculous to go any faster because anything over 3rd gear is speeding anyhow in this town. yeah i am not looking forward to the prospect of changing that seal, it is the crank seal just got under and looked. i have about 6 inches to work with if i remove the alternator and the a compressor. i went to advance autop part sand they didnt have it but i still have auto zone and o'reilly's auto parts. i think this will probably be 5 dollar seal with 12 hours labor for amateur lol i just honestly dont have the cash for a mechanic and ntm knowledge is power but a headache is a bitch

Should not take more than three hours. Easy as pie just let the engine up and down with a jack(wood block between jack and oil pan) to make the seal easier to get at. What's is the deal at the parts stores? Don't buy the whole timing cover seal set unless you need the gasket on the timing cover. and don't pull the engine to put a front crank seal in.
http://www.autozone.com/shopping/repairGuide.htm

[tuercas]

it's a daily driver, i have put performance parts on it and yes thay have positive effects but i dont take advantage of them being the speed limit is 30 mph out here and its rediculous to go any faster because anything over 3rd gear is speeding anyhow in this town. yeah i am not looking forward to the prospect of changing that seal, it is the crank seal just got under and looked. i have about 6 inches to work with if i remove the alternator and the a compressor. i went to advance autop part sand they didnt have it but i still have auto zone and o'reilly's auto parts. i think this will probably be 5 dollar seal with 12 hours labor for amateur lol i just honestly dont have the cash for a mechanic and ntm knowledge is power but a headache is a bitch

take off all your belts, hold the engine with a floor jack and a block of wood, remove the front engine motor mount bolt , the one by the belts , and let the engine down a little with a jack like shocker said. that should provide easy access to the crank shaft gear and seal. many of the chain auto parts stores will not sell the seal on its own for some reason , you have to ask for a timing cover seal kit , which for 1.5 hondas is about $15 US. if available where you are , try Napa or car quest, they cater more to shops and the counter personel are a little more professional, AZ and Oreally are just an inch above mcdonalds burger flippers , unless you are lucky and get a white or grey shirt at Autozone.

[zonk]

thanks guys, i'll let my friend know so he and i can try and get this planned out. he is remodeling his house right now so we dont have the time. he has pretty good technical knowledge of how everything should go so this shouldnt be too hard....a case of beer and a few burgers should tide us over

[mudbunny]

And go to Advance Auto if you have one, they're cheaper than Autozone.

[remo williams]

take off all your belts, hold the engine with a floor jack and a block of wood, remove the front engine motor mount bolt , the one by the belts , and let the engine down a little with a jack like shocker said. that should provide easy access to the crank shaft gear and seal. many of the chain auto parts stores will not sell the seal on its own for some reason , you have to ask for a timing cover seal kit , which for 1.5 hondas is about $15 US. if available where you are , try Napa or car quest, they cater more to shops and the counter personel are a little more professional, AZ and Oreally are just an inch above mcdonalds burger flippers , unless you are lucky and get a white or grey shirt at Autozone.

I hadn't considered that way, but it sounds like it'd be easier for him. If it were me I'd change the belts that needed it, and the timing cover gasket, if the car has alot of miles and it's the oem gasket. It could get boogered up taking the cover off. I know it's not necessary, but I've done repairs and had something I took off to get to it, go. so I just save a little extra and check everything else in case.

[tuercas]

I hadn't considered that way, but it sounds like it'd be easier for him. If it were me I'd change the belts that needed it, and the timing cover gasket, if the car has alot of miles and it's the oem gasket. It could get boogered up taking the cover off. I know it's not necessary, but I've done repairs and had something I took off to get to it, go. so I just save a little extra and check everything else in case.

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it is good practice that anytime the timing belt has to be removed that it be replaced with a new one. specially in this case where the timing belt has been exposed to oil and carbon from inside the engine due to the oil leak, it may have deteriorated and may snap prematurely.

[shocker1]

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it is good practice that anytime the timing belt has to be removed that it be replaced with a new one. specially in this case where the timing belt has been exposed to oil and carbon from inside the engine due to the oil leak, it may have deteriorated and may snap prematurely.

Zonk should also replace the waterpump while it is right there. Hope he has not already finished before doing that.

[remo williams]

Zonk should also replace the waterpump while it is right there. Hope he has not already finished before doing that.

Yeah it's usually replaced when you change the timing belt at a dealer or shop. I'm concerned about the seal and why it wore though. In all the yrs I've owned and worked on Honda's an crankshaft seal has never been an issue. Crank walk possibly?

[shocker1]

Yeah it's usually replaced when you change the timing belt at a dealer or shop. I'm concerned about the seal and why it wore though. In all the yrs I've owned and worked on Honda's an crankshaft seal has never been an issue. Crank walk possibly?

Yeah, most of the time the cam seals are bad. Most likely has a groove worn in or the engine was ran hot once. The headgasket is leaking oil near the center where the oil pressure comes up from the block to the head, maybe the notorious headgasket is border line.. Zonk needs to take a pic of the crank end so we can eye ball the groove. They all have a little groove in em after 100,000. If it is too bad the seal won't last long. That is something I can eyeball and tell if it will last another 50,000 or so. Oil leaks around the corners of the valve cover gasket can run down the edge of the block and make it's way around the crank seal. Zonk needs to take some pics when he gets the timing belt off.

[zonk]

nope havent done that yet but a good call none the less...i found i need a master cylinder alsoso looks lik its going to be a lengty overhaul on it...cars cost a fortune

[shocker1]

nope havent done that yet but a good call none the less...i found i need a master cylinder alsoso looks lik its going to be a lengty overhaul on it...cars cost a fortune

In case you missed my suggestion takes some pics of the front of the engine when you get the timing belt off and try to get a pic of the crank sealing surface.