Reply With QuoteMOd plod use SA80 I don't think they were given the option
but then they don't get them muddy so they will work fine.
Amercian Police have alota Smith & Wesson.
MOd plod use SA80 I don't think they were given the option
but then they don't get them muddy so they will work fine
UK Police Weaponry... tough to come by as I have been researching a lot of related topics. Thus far from published sources and internet websites (often from the actual police agencies own site) I have dug up some info, some of which is dated to sources in the late 80's and early 90's and some contemporary info.
London Metroplitan Police: S&W Model 10 M&P (350 Purchased In 1984), S&W Model 36 Chief's Special & Walther PP
* SO19 Force Firearms Branch: Glock Model 17, H&K MP-5 Series
Manchester Police Department: Glock Model 17
Notthingham Police Department: Walther P-99 & H&K MP-5SA
I have some additional information, Germany is a bit more detailed but it is a mix of past and present sources.
Baden Wurttemberg State Police: H&K P2000, Pistole P7 (H&K P7) & Walther P-5
Bavaria State Police: Pistole P7 (H&K P7)
Bereitschaftpolizei: Pistole 6 (SIG Sauer P-225), SIG SP47/8
Berlin Police Department: Pistole 6 (SIG Sauer P225), Pistole 11 (H&K 4)
Bundesbahnpolizei (Federal Railway Police): Pistole 6 (SIG Sauer P225)
Bundesgrenzschutz: Pistole 6 (SIG Sauer P225), SIG SP47/8, SIG Sauer P228, Walther P4 (6,500 models, many sold off in 1987) & H&K MP-5
Bundeskriminalamt (Federal Criminal Investigatory Police): Pistole, 6 (SIG Sauer P225), Pistole 7 (H&K P7), SIG Sauer P228
Bundespostpolizei (Federal Postal Police): Pistole 6 (SIG Sauer P225)
Bundeszollpolizei (Federal Customs Police): Pistole 6 (SIG Sauer P225)
* Zentrale Unterstützungseinheit Zoll (ZUZ) (Central Customs Supporting Unit): Pistole 8, H&K MP-5, H&K G-3SG1
Bremen State Police: Pistole 6 (SIG Sauer P225)
Hansestadt-Hamburg State Police: Pistole 6 (SIG Sauer P225)
Hessen State Police: Pistole 6 (SIG Sauer P225)
Landespolizei: Walther P5
Lower Saxony State Police: P2 (Walther PP), Pistole 7 (H&K P7)
North Rhine-Westphalia State Police: FN Mle 35, Pistole 6 (SIG Sauer P225)
Saarland State Police: Pistole 9 (H&K P9S)
Schleswig-Holstein State Police: Pistole 6 (SIG Sauer P225)
I have some information on Israel as well:
Quantities of the S&W Model 27 were sold to the Israeli Police in 1978 as well as the S&W Model 10 in 1979 and even small quantities of the S&W Model 29 in 44 Magnum. Samples of the S&W Model 59 were also sold to the Israeli Police during this same period. Prior to the adption of the Jericho the FN Mark III High Power was uniformly adopted across Israeli Police Officers as their sidearm. Currently the Jericho Model 941 series of handguns are very popular in the police forces of Israel. Some 10,000 US M1 and M2 carbines were delivered to the country and in the past have been popular with the Civil Defense School Guards as well as law enforcement officers. Some Israeli Police Officers have been sighted with Mossberg Model 695 bolt action shotguns, these are used in urban sniping roles. The AKM is known to be used in some front line military units, but it is also sometimes encountered in the hands of law enforcement agencies as well.
Magav (Border Guard) The Israeli border guard has a special unit called YAMAS and have their own Counter Terrorist Group, these idividuals operate within disputed regions of the border with Palestine. They are known to use the Jericho Model 941 series of handguns as well as the Colt Commando submachine-gun.
Mista'Aravim
Members of Mista'Aravim carry small weapons like the Micro-Uzis that are easily concealed and carried. Short-barreled M-16's are carried when firepower is more crucial than concealability.
Ya'Ma'M
Weapons in their arsenal include the Glock Model 17, the Jericho Model 941 is also encountered as well as Mini-Uzis, and the IMI GALAT'Z sniper rifle.
Yasam
Weapons in their arsenal include the Jerico series of pistols and Magal submachinegun
And finally osme info on Australia but this is limited to their SWAT style units not their general officer on the street but I will include it here.
Western Australian Tactical Response Group
Beretta 92FS
H&K MP-5D
H&K G41 H&K G3
M-16A2
H&K 23E
M-203
Queensland Special Emergency Response Team
H&K USP
H&K MP-5A3
MP-5SD3
CAR-15
Victorian Special Operations Group
Beretta 92FS
H&K USP
SIG P226
H&K MP-5
F88
M-16A2
H&K PSG-1
Remington Model 700
Benelli Super 90
Northern Territory Territory Response Group
H&K USP
H&K MP-5A3
MP-5SD2
Tasmanian Special Operations Group
Browning Hi-Power
Glock 17
H&K USP
Sig P226
Sig P228
H&K MP-5A3
F88
Sig 550
Sig 551
Winchester Defender
New South Wales State Protection Group
Glock 17
H&K MP-5A1
MP-5SD6
Uzi
CAR-15
M-16A2
Sig 551
AI PM
H&K PSG-1
Mauser SP66
Remington Model 700
Remington 870
South Australian Special Tasks and Rescue Division
H&K USP
Sig P226
Sig P228
H&K MP-5A3
CAR-15
M-16A2
H&K PSG-1
Australian Capital Territory Special Operations Team
Glock 17
H&K MP-5A3
MP-5SD3
If the above info helps so much the better, if you find more I'd be interested to know myself.
Later,
TR
When I was in london i saw Police Man (not SO19) armed with Glock 17. And out from a list the London Police got also some Gllock19.
Greatings Leo
No offence champ, but most of your info on Australian Tactical Police units is either completely wrong or seriously outdated.Originally Posted by TR
NSW Police SPG TOU into if waaaaay off the mark in all but a couple of instances. Most stuff mentioned hasn't be used/issued for over 15 years etc.
When I get some free time I'll knock something up for you if you care to PM me about it.
German: The Bundesgrenzschutz GSG) use Glock17 pistols, HK Mp5 submichine Guns and Sig 550/551 Ausult Rifles and the Steyr AUG:
The SWAT Team in Bavaria (SEK) use Glock17, HKP7M13 and MP5, and the AUG.
Israel
All Police Man use the IMI Jericho 641. Some high ranked officers have Glock's.
Ya'Ma'M
Glock 17/19 Mini Uzis, IMI Para Micro Uzis, Colt Commando, Colt M4 (CAR-15A2), IMI Galtz and Steyr SSG69.
Australia:
Glock 17 general service. In use with Federal Police (standard sidearm 2000-), Northern Territory Police (standard sidearm 1996
Glock 22 general service. In use with Queensland Police and NSW(standard sidearm)
Glock 23 general service. In use with Queensland Police, and NSW
Glock 27 limited service. In use with Queensland Police and NSW (concealed carry)
Glock 20 Victoria Police Special Operations Group (SOG) ie: SWAT
HK USP (9mm) used by (Federal Police) Australian Protective Service (APS) Air Marshals
SigSauer P226 Victorian and Tasminian SOG and others
(All Rugers and S&W are Replaced by Glocks! only Victorian Police have still some.
The SOG groups use manly MP-5 and F88 Carabines and some M4A1 and Sig551.
In New Zeeland the Police use manly Glock 17 Pistols. And Mp5 and Colt M4A1 carabines.
These are used by Irish cop's
Smith & Wesson .38 special, Model 10, K-Frame, 2" Heavy Barrel Revolver.
Smith & Wesson .38 special, Model 10, K-Frame, 4" Heavy Barrel Revolver.
Smith & Wesson .38 special, Model 36, J-Frame, Revolver.
Sig Sauer P226 9mm Para, Double Action Only Pistol.
Uzi 9mm Para Sub Machine-Gun
The following weapons are also used by An Garda Síochána, but are on issue to Specialised Units only:
Sig Sauer P226 9mm Para, Double Action/Single Action Pistol.
Benelli 12 Gauge Shotgun M3Tsuper90.
Heckler & Koch Rifle 33E 5.56mm.
Steyr Sniper Rifle Model SSG POLICE .308 Win.
In Belgium, the police use Glock 17/19s, Browning High-Powers and .38 Special revolvers.
When they need more firepower, they use FN Uzis, H&K MP5s or Steyr AUGs 9mm.
Special units have FN P90s, H&K MP5s, shotguns, Accuracy International AWP, and a lot more...
Same here, he was guarding No. 10
I'm not sure about the Browning 9mm any more - more info, and I'm pretty certain no-one uses the S&W Model 10 either?I should explain my last post. It is possible to find open source information about the weapons used by some UK police forces, but not all.
CX20 knows a lot, and I've learned much from reading his posts, but even he is unlikely to be able to reel off each force's issue pistol, carbine etc.
On a general level though:
Glock 17
Browning Hi-Power
Sig-Sauer P-226
Beretta 92F(S?)
Walther P99
HK MP5SF
HK 53
HK G36K and C
Steyr AUG, in 5.56mm and 9mm
This is by no means an exhaustive list, but it probably covers most UK issued weapons.
If you want to get an exhaustive list, take an airsoft gun and a notepad and go for a walk in each force area.
The H&K HK93 is also in use as are several variants of the G3.
Some police forces use sniper rifles which are derivatives of civvy hunting rifles, mostly in .308 Win (7.62x51mm), but several forces use the .243Win.
At least one force (Beds) Use stainless S&W pistols.
No offence champ, but most of your info on Australian Tactical Police units is either completely wrong or seriously outdated. NSW Police SPG TOU into if waaaaay off the mark in all but a couple of instances. Most stuff mentioned hasn't be used/issued for over 15 years etc. When I get some free time I'll knock something up for you if you care to PM me about it.
No offense taken BiZ... this sort of information is hard to come, many times the published sources are several years old to begin with so that doesn't help. Granted being here in the States is not a big help when researching Australian law enforcement trends either.
If you have info otherwise I'd love to see it.
Later
TR
can we get a picture of each weapon please?
I would say 99 % can be found here:
http://world.guns.ru/main-e.htm
and other similar sites.
I am a student of policing and can bring some insight into the reasons that the Victorian Police in Australia have not 'upgraded' to the glock rage of firearms froim 347(i think) S&W revolvers.
Mainly it stems from the evidence that is abound about police when placed in a situation that they need to fire their weapon, will fire as much as they can. Police will normally not shoot a offender the first time and cease firing, instead they will fire off the clip or wheel of rounds. This is because the only times police use firearms on General Duties will be in a life and death situation. Thus they will be in a panic, a rush and in immediate need. Thus firing off all the rounds they have. That is not saying they will reload and keep firing, but will immediately fire all they got in the weapon.
As for SWAT types forces, the choice in VicPol is a 'police' model of the F88, it is black and so on, not green. And some older M16A2s. I am yet to hear of the M4 being used as they are apparently not needed in a SWAT context. Being a 5.56mm and not the complete compact weapon, instead a hybrid of a rifle and a SMG. Thus why do the police need a weapon that is not role specific.
Hope that helps a bit.
VicPol is also trialing Tazers, stun guns and 'net' guns, all test performed on real SOG volunteers! what harry hard asses.
someone was asking for photos
I put only photos of not so common guns in United Kingdom and Australia
United Kingdom:
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Australia:
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State Protection Group:
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