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    Quote Originally Posted by churruca View Post
    [*******#333333]Armed Forces day 2012. Trials in the "Plaza Mayor" of Valladolid. Song "Dead is not the final".[/COLOR]
    "Death is not the end" would be a more appropriate translation.

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    It is worth remembering something.
    He has been granted the Laureate Cross of San Fernando to the regiment Alcantara 14, for his heroic conduct in the "Annual Disaster" to recognize the "heroic" events occurring between July 22 and August 9, 1921.

    Only in spanish:
    http://www.fuerzas-armadas.es/portal/blog/post.php?IdPage_blog=8204

    Honor and glory to the heroes of the Regiment Alcantara.
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    For those who don't know the story behind this "minor" colonial war, the regiment suffered 80% casualties, including its commander, as it tried to cover the retreat of the rest of the Spanish force as it pretty much disintegrated and fell back towards somewhat defensible higher ground.

    And, of course, various Spanish lefties are *****ing about the new conservative government recognizing the valor of a unit that had the effrontery of having fought in this unpopular war of colonial aggression.

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    Absolutely true Frank.

    These are the words, that Lieutenant Colonel Fernando Primo de Rivera y Orbaneja, commander of the Regiment, spoke to his men before the battle.

    "The situation, as you can see, is critical. It is time to sacrifice for the Fatherland fulfilling the sacred mission of the Army. Let each take his place and do his duty"

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    Quote Originally Posted by frostilicus View Post
    It is worth remembering something.
    He has been granted the Laureate Cross of San Fernando to the regiment Alcantara 14, for his heroic conduct in the "Annual Disaster" to recognize the "heroic" events occurring between July 22 and August 9, 1921.

    Only in spanish:
    http://www.fuerzas-armadas.es/portal/blog/post.php?IdPage_blog=8204

    Honor and glory to the heroes of the Regiment Alcantara.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank_Jamison View Post
    For those who don't know the story behind this "minor" colonial war, the regiment suffered 80% casualties, including its commander, as it tried to cover the retreat of the rest of the Spanish force as it pretty much disintegrated and fell back towards somewhat defensible higher ground.

    And, of course, various Spanish lefties are *****ing about the new conservative government recognizing the valor of a unit that had the effrontery of having fought in this unpopular war of colonial aggression.

    Thanks a lot, I totally ignored that.

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    360º view

    SPS Príncipe de Asturias, SPS Castilla, ITS Etna and FGS Lübeck

    http://panoramicas-360.es/files/flotaotan.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank_Jamison View Post
    And, of course, various Spanish lefties are *****ing about the new conservative government recognizing the valor of a unit that had the effrontery of having fought in this unpopular war of colonial aggression.
    I don't accept that premise nor its implications. They are just expressing some concern aboth the fact that the newly arrived government has granted the distinction more than 90 years after the battle. To what purpose? Is this some kind of ill-timed provocation? Those are reasonable, valid questions that can be asked. What I find risible is trying to pull the old cliche Oh-the-tree-hugging-lefties-always-*****ing-about-the-army. C'mon, you should be better than that.

    As for the glorious Alcantara, long be them remembered.

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    When you put "heroico" and "gesta" in quotation marks, I don't think this is only about the possibility of provoking Morocco.


    http://blogs.elpais.com/orilla-sur/2...l-del-rif.html



    Quote Originally Posted by miguelencanarias View Post
    I don't accept that premise nor its implications. They are just expressing some concern aboth the fact that the newly arrived government has granted the distinction more than 90 years after the battle. To what purpose? Is this some kind of ill-timed provocation? Those are reasonable, valid questions that can be asked. What I find risible is trying to pull the old cliche Oh-the-tree-hugging-lefties-always-*****ing-about-the-army. C'mon, you should be better than that.

    As for the glorious Alcantara, long be them remembered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank_Jamison View Post
    When you put "heroico" and "gesta" in quotation marks, I don't think this is only about the possibility of provoking Morocco.


    http://blogs.elpais.com/orilla-sur/2...l-del-rif.html

    I hope this is not considered in the U.S. as a desire for revenge and renewal of Spanish imperialism in Cuba.

    http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=66579

    Cembrero is a well known anti-militar activist, member of the "Moroccan lobby" in Spain.
    (spanish link)
    http://www.webislam.com/articulos/31...rollo_de_.html

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    Escribo en castellano, mi ingles es demasiado pobre.

    En mi opinion, creo que Frank tiene cierta razon. Que creeis que opinara Cayo Lara sobre la concesion de la medalla? O LLamazares?
    Conceder una medalla a una unidad o persona, tiempo despues (incluso años) no es nada nuevo, no creo que sea ninguna provocacion.
    En ningun ejercito del mundo, una unidad con un hecho de armas como este estaria a dia de hoy sin reconocimiento.
    Es lo minimo que se merecen todos esos hombres que se dejaron la vida en Africa, no ya en una guerra colonialista, sino simple y llanamente, para salvar las vidas de sus compañeros.
    El problema de España, en mi opinion, es que somos un pais acomplejado en muchos aspectos. Muchos españoles a dia de hoy se avergüenzan de nuestro pasado como potencia colonial en America, nos da miedo utilizar la palabra "guerra" cuando nuestros militares estan luchando en una.
    No veo que Francia, o Inglaterra se avergüencen de su pasado colonial, os imaginais que en este combate los que hubieran luchado hubieran sido ingleses? Estoy seguro que cada año recordarian esta fecha con algun evento.
    Por no hablar de su dia de los caidos. Os imaginais algo asi en España? Yo no, mi imaginacion no llega para tanto... Y no sera por que España no tenga caidos que recordar.

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    Frostilicious, you make a good point. Even today, the French Foreign Legion commemorates Cameron day, a brave party of soldiers fighting to the death with insane courage in an inglorious colonial war.

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    Exactly, The commemoration of the Cameron battle, is a clear example. If in Cameron had fought Spanish soldiers, I can assure you that today in Spain, this battle would be remembered only in history books

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    The reality comes with all his weight. There will not be SPS 'Juan de Austria' (F-106). Delays in the construction of the patrols P-45/P-48. (BAMs)

    http://www.infodefensa.com/?noticia=...ma-de-la-serie
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    And of course, the carrier SPS 'Principe de Asturias' will be placed in reserve this summer.

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    Great news indeed

    To say that the "Principe de Asturias" will be placed in reserve, is very optimistic.
    Unfortunately, we all know that the destiny of this great ship will be scrapped, and worst of all, talk about a possible replacement in the short to medium term, is pure science fiction

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