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Go through the existing thread, that'll explain a lot.
For us ze war is over by tea time, jawoll
THEY are on the front line of the war on terror, but German pilots facing the Taliban are insisting they stop at tea time every day to comply with health and safety regulations.
The helicopter pilots, who provide medical back-up to Nato ground troops, set off for their base by mid-afternoon so they can be grounded by sundown.
Their refusal to fly in the dark is hampering Operation Desert Eagle, an allied offensive, which involves 500 Nato-led troops plus 1,000 Afghan troops and police.
Although Germany has sent 3,200 troops to Afghanistan, they operate under restrictive rules of engagement.
They spend much of their time in an enormous base, complete with beer halls and nightclubs, in Mazar-e-Sharif, a 90-minute flight from the fighting. They also have a base at Kunduz.
Germany, which has lost 25 soldiers in Afghanistan to suicide attacks and roadside bombs, commands the Nato-led International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) in the north. But its men are not allowed to travel more than two hours from a “role two medical facility” - a hospital equipped for emergency surgery.
The restrictions have fuelled tensions among allied troops. Norwegian soldiers, who were fighting to stem a growing Taliban insurgency in this remote stretch of Afghanistan’s northwest frontier, were forced to desert their Afghan comrades midway through a firefight when German medical evacuation helicopters withdrew.
The Germans contribute unmanned surveillance planes, an electronic warfare team and a hospital to the operation.
One Norwegian cavalry officer, who was engaged in a day-long fight with more than 40 Taliban near Jari Siya in Badghis, said: “It’s hopeless. We were attacking the bad guys, then [at] three or four o’clock, the helicopters are leaving.
“We had to go back to base. We should have had Norwegian helicopters. At least they can fly at night.”
Abandoned by their western allies, the 600 men from the Afghan army’s 209 Corps were forced to retreat until a convoy of American Humvees arrived the next day to reinforce them.
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I have been working in the AOR of RC North. The German contingent are the most un-productive Nation in Afghanistan. There are 2,500+ men at the camp and as already stated they just sit around smoking and drinking coffee. These guys and girls get the same NATO medal as the soldiers operating under fire on a daily basis.
Mark, Bristol, uk
Pheww - lucky the Russians tank divisions did not advance over those North German plains in the 60s. It was said they could reach the Med in 3 days and the new generation of Germans would have stood by. We had a very lucky break!
Peter Ellis, bordeaux, france
It strikes me that it took six years to realise that the German army in Afghanistan consists of cowards. The situation cannot be that bad, or your soldiers really are not the brightest.
I guess this could just be another attempt to lure Germany into a larger commitment in Afghanistan. No thanks, fight your wars yourself.
Fritz, London,
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Go through the existing thread, that'll explain a lot.
It's bulls_h_i_t !
Reported....
How to double the force of German military?
Tell them to fly past the five o clock
How to give our politicians some spine and common sense?
There could be 10.000 german soldiers with hundreds of Tornados and LEO 2s, as long as there isn´t a change in the school of thought of german politicians, nothing will change at all.
Just to tell it twice doesn't make your joke funny.Originally Posted by Herrmannek
How to double the force of German military?
Tell them to fly past the five o clock
Nope, the German people must change their attitude towards military operations. The government does not act like a government simply for the reason that the Germans would go on the barriers in case of actual battles with German participation, at least that's what politicians strongly believe in. They themselves don't give a damn about the lives of soldiers, just as any other government doesn't care, true to Clausewitz' opinion about wars.
If this nation would accept that a war is fought in Afghanistan and that we did not suffer more than 90 casualties because Central Asia of today is such a nice place to be, if we actually accept we are part of this war, the Bundeswehr finally could be unleashed and defend our security because the state of war changes the armies rules of engagement.
At the moment the Afghanistan war is either regarded as a harmless confrontation between some Westerners and a bunch of criminals or as a big genocide to feed the will of evil USA.
Internally, the real image is well known, though unfortunately the Bundeswehr is not led by it's Führungsstab but by a bunch of boot-licking deskjockeys with no idea of anything military.
Furthermore the parliament is actually breaking the law: Articel 87a of the constitution says that the state has to install armed forces with seize and funding complying to the tasks. That's not the case, they've again cut the budget recently.
muck, let me say this more simple: you, Germans, need to experience a traumatic disaster what happened in Madrid or London, first. No, of course I do not wish you this but seems that many your folks really believe that it's another dirty American war which doesn't concern you.
Don't worry its a part of grater plan of military reforms... Its simple, first you lower effectiveness of the army by 50%, then you raise it by 100%, and what you get? 100%-50%+100%=150% of original capability without spending a dime
The bad thing is that you're completely right. The joke is that there actually happened to terrorist attack attempts which could have killed hundreds if they had not been foiled - and still the Germans disavow a matter of fact, namely that we're threatened by the terrorists, too.
I hope you don't get a living with math?Don't worry its a part of grater plan of military reforms... Its simple, first you lower effectiveness of the army by 50%, then you raise it by 100%, and what you get? 100%-50%+100%=150% of original capability without spending a dime
Germans, for the most part, don't like the military and they don't like wars and nothing will change that in the forseeable future.
Anyone cooperating with the Bundeswehr should know these realities and realise that the hands of the deployed Bundeswehr soldiers are tied in that regard.
End of story.
Actually I do, but its obvious Germans not me are creative accounting masters hereI hope you don't get a living with math?
Damn, this must suck. 50-60 years ago, Germans were handing out butt-kickings left and right. Now, its butt-licking left and right.
A shame. ze germans should install a new fuhrer :P
Ironically the attacks in Madrid led to Spain retreating from Iraq. And nor in Spain nor in Great Britain did those attacks lead to a more aggressive orientation of their armed forces. So it's doubtful that such an effect would occur in Germany.
And personally I don't see how an attack of terrorists clearly not linked to any nation state would justify a more aggressive role of the Bundeswehr in Afghanistan.
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