General Car Discussion

[Seraphim]

All these new model cars must suck to park and hit your bumper on parking stalls. I always have to park far from curbs when I have to angle park.

[wotsnext]

I get the impression the the US car makers are slowly moving thier operations overseas

[daily666]

I get the impression the the US car makers are slowly moving thier operations overseas

That's mainly because it's very costly for the big three (GM, Ford, Chrysler) to have competitive pricing. The production in USA is ineffective. Daimler (Mercedes - Benz) felt it directly what kind of money guzzler Chrysler was. The last time I checked it was Toyota that had the biggest effectiveness for cost per product, and the best quality factory GM had was in Poland (Opel production plant in Gliwice). Mind you, the best quality factory Nissan had was in UK (Nissan UK - Sunderland). It's not necessary to move the production overseas but to cut costs (especially labour costs) and implement more effective production methods. Why Ford Europe is doing good while the parent corporation doesn't? It has two of the most advanced and robotised factories in Europe (Genk, Belgium and the Focus production line in Cologne, Germany).

[wotsnext]

I agree daily666, The US car makers are far from dead, In fact they are taking on the competition here in Europe head to head.....The US market seems to be unique, But you can bet they have a strategy.

[pfcsmith1371]

I agree daily666, The US car makers are far from dead, In fact they are taking on the competition here in Europe head to head.....The US market seems to be unique, But you can bet they have a strategy.

The US market here in Japan is virtually non existent, i've only seen a few American cars here and there, but the Japanese sure do like Mercedes and BMW though.

[wotsnext]

The US market here in Japan is virtually non existent, i've only seen a few American cars here and there, but the Japanese sure do like Mercedes and BMW though.

How about Jaguar?..........

[Switek]

The US market here in Japan is virtually non existent, i've only seen a few American cars here and there, but the Japanese sure do like Mercedes and BMW though.

I heard in some tv report, few years ago that american cars are favourite by yakuza members...

[daily666]

I heard in some tv report, few years ago that american cars are favourite by yakuza members...

As far as I know they generally are being driven in S-class Mercs, or at least that the rule in the 90s.

Japanese market is very limited, so it's not being a target for US or Euro car companies. Chinese is!

[Death.]

Going to spread some disease into this thread.

Dodge Announces Pricing for All-new 2008 Challenger SRT8®

Dodge Challenger SRT8 available for $37,995

* The American muscle coupe is back, packed with modern technology and innovation
* Demand for contemporary version of iconic pony car drives Dodge to accept orders for the 2008 Challenger SRT8® beginning Dec. 3, 2007
* Introduction begins with limited-edition Dodge Challenger SRT8 models - each with numbered dash plaque
* Complete, broader Challenger lineup details and pricing still to come
* 2008 Dodge Challenger SRT8 models feature 6.1-liter HEMI® V-8 and are available in Black, Silver or HEMI Orange

Auburn Hills, Mich. -

Dodge announced pricing today for the modern interpretation of the American muscle coupe. The 2008 Dodge Challenger SRT8® will arrive in showrooms next spring at a Manufacturer’s Suggested Retail Price (MSRP) of $37,995 (which includes $675 destination).

Due to unprecedented demand, Dodge dealers will begin taking orders on Dec. 3 for the limited-edition 2008 Dodge Challenger SRT8 models. Each will feature a numbered dash plaque and a 6.1-liter HEMI® V-8 engine. 2008 Challenger SRT8 models will be available in Black, Silver and HEMI Orange. All will feature dual “carbon-fiber” hood stripes, harkening back to the original Dodge Challenger.

“The 2008 Dodge Challenger SRT8 offers pure American pony-car muscle,” said James Press, Vice Chairman & President – Chrysler LLC. “With styling that stays true to Challenger’s original heritage, an abundance of modern amenities and cutting-edge technology, the 2008 Dodge Challenger SRT8 will deliver the SRT credo of benchmark performance at a tremendous value.

“The Challenger SRT8 is only the beginning of the story, as we’ll soon follow with a complete lineup of Challenger models that will offer a wide array of features and deliver outstanding value for our customers,” Press added.

Customers may begin placing orders at their Dodge dealer on Monday, Dec. 3. They can expect to take delivery of their vehicle next spring.

The all-new 2008 Dodge Challenger SRT8 will be built at the Chrysler Canada Assembly Plant in Brampton, Ontario, on the same assembly line with the Dodge Charger, Charger SRT8, Magnum, Magnum SRT8, Chrysler 300 and Chrysler 300 SRT8 vehicles.

Pricing for the complete all-new Dodge Challenger lineup will be announced at a later date.

SRT performance vehicles – including the Dodge Viper SRT10, Dodge Caliber SRT4, Dodge Magnum SRT8, Dodge Charger SRT8, Chrysler 300C SRT8, Jeep® Grand Cherokee SRT8, and now, the Dodge Challenger SRT8 – are engineered by Chrysler’s in-house performance organization: Street and Racing Technology.

The all-new 2008 Dodge Challenger SRT8 showcases the renowned, five key aspects of every SRT vehicle: exterior styling that resonates with the brand image; race-inspired interiors; world-class ride and handling characteristics across a broad range; benchmark braking; and standout powertrain. The all-new 2008 Dodge Challenger SRT8 will unquestionably deliver in all five areas.

I can't wait to see these beauties on the streets, Camaro has nothing on that. lol


And of course, spyshots of the 2010 Mustang

We all know that the Ford Mustang will be receiving a face lift around 2010 to better combat the impending onslaught of competition from the Dodge Challenger and Chevy Camaro. A new prototype has been spotted that, while heavily covered up, at least shows that Ford's plan for its pony car are progressing. Through the covering one can vaguely make out new headlights, a new grille and new rear taillights. Unfortunately, not much else can be gleaned, like whether the freshening will take some of its cues from the hot Giugiaro Mustang

The stance

[daily666]

This speaks to me a bit more:


This old-new Challenger looks quite ice. Apart from the usuall marketing mumbling like: modern technology and innovation, wide array of features and deliver outstanding value for our customers, standout powertrain, benchmark braking and crap like this, do we know something real about this car?

All I know the HEMI 6.1 V8 is hardly to be called modern. And will the Mustang retain the rear live-axle suspension?

[Beowulf]

That challenger looks freaking sweet.

[California Joe]

Yeah, it does, that's a badass looking car.

I'd still like to get one of those MOD surplus Defenders though. I drive on sh*tty dirt roads in bad weather half of the time I'm in a vehicle.

[Switek]

I'm just curious in what movie we'd see it?

[daily666]

Yeah, it does, that's a badass looking car.

I'd still like to get one of those MOD surplus Defenders though. I drive on sh*tty dirt roads in bad weather half of the time I'm in a vehicle.

For the very same reason I'd changed my "normal" car for an XJ Cherokee.

[CH4RL13]

Going to spread some disease into this thread.

Dodge Announces Pricing for All-new 2008 Challenger SRT8®



I can't wait to see these beauties on the streets, Camaro has nothing on that. lol


And of course, spyshots of the 2010 Mustang



The stance

So how many different models are the going to make? The Challenger shown here is labeled as an R/T. When the article only mentions an SRT-8 version. Either way I like it better then the Camero. Just looks ugly. Can't wait to see the changes on the Mustang though.

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