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    Indian Army in Kashmir!

    Indian army has gone a long way ahead in dealing with militants........ Now its sophisticated weapons that talk with militants!
    Last edited by sajiddubai; 03-16-2008 at 11:53 AM.

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    You mean the grenade launcher?

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    Quote Originally Posted by afreu View Post
    You mean the grenade launcher?

    Well its urban warfare....... Counter insurgency operations are happening in crowded villages, Indian army has always tried to keep the civilian casualities to a minimum by using low calibre weapons, but now their mentality has changed............ its total elimination on the sight itself.......even if it means blowing up a building.......we dnt see those kind of weapons being used in an urban populated area...........do we?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sajiddubai View Post
    Well its urban warfare....... Counter insurgency operations are happening in crowded villages, Indian army has always tried to keep the civilian casualities to a minimum by using low calibre weapons, but now their mentality has changed............ its total elimination on the sight itself.......even if it means blowing up a building.......we dnt see those kind of weapons being used in an urban populated area...........do we?
    depends on where you are and the situation. Tanks have been quite successful in Urban warfare and a grenade launcher is much more preferable if it can do the job instead of a 2000lb bomb.
    But nice pic, havent seen one of the Indian army using that

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    Quote Originally Posted by chulo_allen View Post
    depends on where you are and the situation. Tanks have been quite successful in Urban warfare and a grenade launcher is much more preferable if it can do the job instead of a 2000lb bomb.
    But nice pic, havent seen one of the Indian army using that

    Well you are correct! Its easy to say when you are fighting a war in another country. But India is fighting its battle inside India and any civilian casuality is suicidal for the army when it comes to support from the people.
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    I'm interest in that "garment" that they wear on their heads. Is it a helmet or hat ?

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    Courtesy of Machine Wilkins in yesterday's "Today's Pix" thread.

    BULLET-PROOF PATKA HELMETS
    The bullet-proof patka (Sikh head-dressing) helmets, provide comprehensive head protection. The patka helmets provide protection against fragmentation munitions and low velocity bullets. The bullet-proof patka helmets have been exclusively designed for the Indian Army, paramilitary forces and various state police departments. They hava a ballistic strip manufactured from a high-density, die-pressed phantom steel. Cushioning material is used in the inner lining of the patka helmets for additional comfort.
    The patka helmets have a distinct advantage over standard bullet-proof helmets. Stadard bullet-proof helmets provide protection against 9mm weapons, whereas our patka helmets give protection against AK-47 to the forehead and rest of the head area.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sajiddubai View Post
    Well its urban warfare....... Counter insurgency operations are happening in crowded villages, Indian army has always tried to keep the civilian casualities to a minimum by using low calibre weapons, but now their mentality has changed............ its total elimination on the sight itself.......even if it means blowing up a building.......we dnt see those kind of weapons being used in an urban populated area...........do we?
    Looks like you aren't a regular visitor to this site. Such weapons are the norm on urban warfare these days. But mostly 2000lb of HE are prefered.

    I had a few pix but cant find them right now, our army has been using RPG's, ANZAs and the Baktar Shikan in its battles here. Just look at the US M203 in Iraq.

    BTW they are useing them now not because of a change in mentality but cause they didnt have them before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MG 3 View Post
    Looks like you aren't a regular visitor to this site. Such weapons are the norm on urban warfare these days. But mostly 2000lb of HE are prefered.

    I had a few pix but cant find them right now, our army has been using RPG's, ANZAs and the Baktar Shikan in its battles here. Just look at the US M203 in Iraq.

    BTW they are useing them now not because of a change in mentality but cause they didnt have them before.
    Wrong MG3, UBGLs were inducted in the Indian army sometime around 1987 the MBGls ard 1995. When the rashtriya rifles were created to fight the insurgency they were envisoned more as a light mobile anti-terrorist force. But with the pakistani's supplying the terrorists with RPGs and the terrorists using the locals as shields the need for rapid and heavy firepower forced the IA to induct grenade and rocket launchers even in populated areas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sheroo View Post
    Wrong MG3, UBGLs were inducted in the Indian army sometime around 1987 the MBGls ard 1995. When the rashtriya rifles were created to fight the insurgency they were envisoned more as a light mobile anti-terrorist force. But with the pakistani's supplying the terrorists with RPGs and the terrorists using the locals as shields the need for rapid and heavy firepower forced the IA to induct grenade and rocket launchers even in populated areas.
    Here we go with our India Pakistan Flame war.

    I'm sorry. I was under that notion because it was only recently I had seen Indian infantary with anything other than assault rifles.
    I am a Pro-Kashmiri Indipendence person but I do agree that for counter insurgency ops one needs to go in hard.

    Another question. Can you enlighten me about the different shoulder fired weapons(like we have the RPG, ANZA, Stinger etc etc) in the IA.

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    Sheroo/MG3 - take your dispute elsewhere or to PM otherwise you'll lose the right to post at all!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MG 3 View Post
    Looks like you aren't a regular visitor to this site. Such weapons are the norm on urban warfare these days. But mostly 2000lb of HE are prefered.

    I had a few pix but cant find them right now, our army has been using RPG's, ANZAs and the Baktar Shikan in its battles here. Just look at the US M203 in Iraq.

    BTW they are useing them now not because of a change in mentality but cause they didnt have them before.

    Well the two battles are entirely different. Pakistani forces are using even attack helicopters. Its not entirely urban warfare, its mountain warfare... anyways indian army is using wide variety of shoulder fired rocket launchers in kashmir like the 84mm Carl Gustav, i have few pictures....
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    Quote Originally Posted by sajiddubai View Post
    Well the two battles are entirely different. Pakistani forces are using even attack helicopters. Its not entirely urban warfare, its mountain warfare... anyways indian army is using wide variety of shoulder fired rocket launchers in kashmir like the 84mm Carl Gustav, i have few pictures....
    Thanks for the info mate.

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    Indian Army doctrine does not allow use of heavy weaponry in COIN operations. The largest available is 84mm RCL and fewer Shipon rockets. All fighting is a series of gun battles at section or platoon level.

    Typical IA,RR small arms in J&K:

    - 7.62mm AK-47 family
    - 7.62mm Dragunov SVD
    - UBGLs and now common multi barrel launchers
    - 84mm Carl Gustaf
    - INSAS, Bren, MAG machine gun

    Terrorists are usually equipped with 'AK-56' (Chinese Ak-47), RPGs, chinese grenades and occasionally SVD and PKT.

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