Reply With QuoteScroll down through this page; the creation & training of the PRU's is detailed....Originally Posted by charlesclark
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Some SEAL I refound on my drive...cool stuffz, love the cutdown 60's and Stoners
Scroll down through this page; the creation & training of the PRU's is detailed....
http://bellsouthpwp.net/m/w/mwagner32/
Hist2004
good questions
MACV stands for Millitary Assistance Command Viet Nam who were the first and longest serving unit in Viet Nam. Advisors were mostly Special Forces teams from MACV that advised the ARVN (Army Republic Viet-Nam) and lived with the ARVN. SOG stands for Special Operations Group, not sure but I believe it included Special Forces, Seals, and Marine Recon, and Marine CAP (Combined Action Patrol) teams. LRRP was Long Range Recon Patrol, made up of Airborne and regular Infantry. SAS was Special Air Service. Englands special forces. ROK was Republic Of Korea Marines Which I had very little respect for. I was in a MACV unit in I Corp in 1968, went thru the TET offensive there. I am glad that there are people who want to learn about the history of our Armed Forces. TET SURVIVOR
^ The "SAS" that this thread is referring to is the Australian SAS
There is so much good history here to learn. I've been studying for years! great stories, and triumphs. I still want to learn more.
England don't have an Army and the People of Wales, Scotland and Northern Island prefer the term Britain's Special Forces. At any rate, there were precious few British SAS in country, all sneaky buggers on exchange, the people normally referred to as SAS would be Australian SASR and New Zealand SAS troops.
i have a small set of images if anyone wants to take a look at as well. mostly vietnam era. PRU from Phang Rang
http://www.flickr.com/photos/charles...th/4716901767/
MACV -- Military Assistance Command, Vietnam
SOG -- Studies and Observations Group
Australian Army Training Team Vietnam (AATTV) aka "The Team"
Early members of AATTV: (left to right) WO2 R.S.Simpson, WO2 L.G.McGarry, Capt I.C.Teague, Capt N.F.Delahunty, and an unidentified WO. Simpson (later awarded the Victoria Cross) wears a maroon beret with the RAR's brass 'Skippy' badge, and standard JGs with his WO's crown rank badge on the upper sleeve. McGarry has the same beret with an additional US badge; his US first pattern tropical combat uniform has shoulder straps and exposed pocket buttons. Teague wears the same uniform with the Australian Commando Companies' green beret. Delahunty's 1950s pattern JGs have box-pleated pockets with scalloped flaps, and rank slides with black embroidered 'RAA' titles; his dark blue Artillery beret bears both the RAA officer's bullion badge, and the pin-on metal crest of US Special Forces. The WO at right wears standard JGs with shortened sleeves, a British 44 Pattern belt, and the pocket patch of the ARVN unit to which he is adviser.
Sgt K.A.Edwards instructs Montagnard 'strikers' in the Central Highlands. Like the officer at left (identified by a holstered pistol - a mark of status among Vietnamese), Edwards wears the indigenous 'tiger-stripe' camouflage uniform with matching short-brimmed jungle hat. The rank of sergeant was unusual in the AATTV, most members being warrant officers; later in the war an intake of corporals was accepted to boost Team numbers.
WO2 Keith Payne VC, September 1969. In May of that year Payne's 212 Coy, 1st Mike Force Bn was attacked by a large enemy force. Although wounded, Payne rallied his unit under intense small arms, RPG and mortar fire, and established a defensive perimeter, which he left four times to recover a wounded US adviser and several other casualties. He then managed to extricate his party of three advisers and some 40 Montagnard strikers through enemy-held territory, a feat for which he was awarded the Victoria Cross.
Here, he wears the AMF 'Rising Sun' patch lower than usual, above his crown badge of rank. The presentation of the USSF green beret to soldiers of another country was a rare honour; Payne bears his RAR brass cap badge on the usual 5th SF Group patch.
LOL. I forgot about the Kiwis.
Captain Ian Teague had an interesting war, he ended up working for CIA creating a widespread crew of "Peoples Action Teams" and from them he drew Counter Terror assassination squads to basically out VC the VC. Ted Serong was tied up in it and it was Barry Petersen's downfall when he didn't get on board with the concept.
MACV Teams
MACV advisory teams were not manned by Special Forces.
They were made up from leg units with no particularly specific training and advised the RF/PF program.
"regional force-popular force."
Special Forces ran the "Civilian Irregular Defense Group" program.
These were the A Teams out in the remote border camps. It was the basic SF mission in RVN.
We were specifically trained for this work all over the world.
Because of unique training and qualifications, SF guys were used for other jobs like SOG and Mike Force.
Late in the war, the CIDG and A Camps were turned over to RF/PF and ARVN Rangers.
Try doing some literary research on your own, rather than internet discussions. Good way to learn things.
Interesting. I wasn't aware that a lot more Australians were involved in running assassination squads for the CIA at that time.
Australian SASR
Trooper Stephen Rodgers of 1 Sqn patrols in dense jungle. The ERDL camouflage uniform is worn with a Vietnamese-made beret in matching fabric - a popular choice in SASR. Its multi-stitched shoulder straps identify his pack as a captured NVA rucksack or a local copy. His belt kit is typically eccentric: a belt made from some kind of 37 Pattern strap, with single pockets cut from a US BAR belt and adapted to hang low on the hips.
May 1970: a patrol from 1 Sqn return to Nui Dat courtesy of a UH-1B of No.9 Sqn RAAF...
Although out of focus, this photograph still shows an interesting display of weapons by 2 Sqn SASR at SAS Hill, Nui Dat in 1970.
(Top) An SLR with carrying handle, flash suppressor and sling swivels removed, and a forward pistol grip added.
(Second) All the usual modifications, plus entire forearm removed, and XM148 40mm grenade launcher added.
(Third) US M14, apparently unmodified - it used the same 7.62mm ammunition as the SLR, but its presence in the SASR inventory at this date is unexplained.
(Fourth) SLR with barrel, gas return and forearm 'chopped' by the squadron armourer, reducing overall length by about 12ins - often referred to as the 'carbine' version. Rails for mounting a telescopic sight have been welded to the top cover.
(Bottom) Another M14, this one subjected to a barrel-chop, and with an SLR pistol grip added to the handguard.
Spring 1971: a 2 Sqn SASR patrol member expresses his appreciation at being photographed - his relaxed air and lack of headgear suggests that the patrol is over and an LZ is being secured for helicopter extraction. Of particular interest is the barely recognizable M60 machine gun reconstructed in the squadron workshop. The handguard and bipod have been removed, the barrel shortened, and an SLR pistol grip has been added off-set half way along the barrel.
April 1971: No.25 Patrol, F Tp, 2 Sqn SASR. All wear WRDL camouflage uniform, with netting sweat scarves and (though hidden here) US jungle boots. Webbing is the usual M1956 with SAS additions. Trooper Don Barnby (second left) wears the unique 40mm grenade pouch harness and carries the M16/XM148 rifle/grenade launcher combination. The trooper at rear right has the US grenadier's vest, with the upper row of pockets for the longer illumination rounds removed. At front left, note the US 'Ka-Bar' knife taped to the harness, and the 'chopped' SLR with additional off-set forward pistol grip.
A camouflage-painted 2 Sdn. ASAS Patrol prepares for take-off on a UH-1B in 1971. The foreground man has an M203 grenade launcher, and the one behind him an XM148 GL, both mounted on M16s. The man to the left has an FN L1A1 rifle.
@ Charlesclark ,Are those pics of your dad's tour? Nice pics...
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