Bullpups vs standard assault rifles?

[He219]

The 203 configuration seems to void the benefits of having a bullpup itself.

[Andreas]

SA80 ok TO SHOOT crap in the field
and you can't shoot it left handed
it falls apart
if its such a good ****ing weapon how come british specail forces use m16s?

Woah, had your experience with the rifle?

I have observed some rather unfavorable things about the SA-80 in real life but this was 00-01 and Ive been told that improvments have been made.

I think its potato/tomato. As long as you keep your weapon maintained and train with it doesent make much of a difference when push comes to shuwww..

Cheers
Andreas

[EsoognomEhT]

SA80 ok TO SHOOT crap in the field
and you can't shoot it left handed
it falls apart
if its such a good ****ing weapon how come british specail forces use m16s?

How rude...Did you forget to clean it? ;d

[bluffcove]

The A2 is fine.

SF use M16's because it means we can blame it on the yanks when we are seen in the wrong place at the wrong time (I think they are C7s)

[Nige]

Concur that the L85A2 is the dog's nads. I used SLR, L85A1 and A2, fired G3, HK33 and 53, now use the Austeyr.

The A1 was not too flash, but worked OK - silly faults like the mag catch being against the body and letting mags go was something that rocked peoples confidence and should have been picked up in trials.

I felt confident with the A2 on operations - the locals had a grudging respect for it too - especialy after a Cav trooper (QRH) dropped a guy from 300+ metres with an Iron sighted A2 - standing supported position - 1 round 1 kill.

Bullpup works for me - mechanized / armoured armies need a weapon that is short enough to mount/dismount from AFVs but retains barrel length.

The ability to 'reach out and touch' to ranges beyond 300 metres is not a problem of bullpups, the 5.56mm round is the key there. I understand 7.62mm MGs are being issued in rifle sections again to counter this.

[DeltaWhisky58]

The A2 is fine.

SF use M16's because it means we can blame it on the yanks when we are seen in the wrong place at the wrong time (I think they are C7s)

L119A1 = C8SFW in most cases now.

[DeltaWhisky58]

For weak 5.56 NATO, Bullpups are best solution. Longer barrel does the job...

You dug up a topic which has been dead for over four years to post this crap?

Some first post knobhead.

[California Joe]

When this topic was started there was no Equipment section.

[SMGLee]

When this topic was started there was no Equipment section.

You should write a script that automatic lock the thread once it goes silent for six month or a what ever pre-set period your mods agree upon.

Originally Posted by Sick-Boy View Post
For weak 5.56 NATO, Bullpups are best solution. Longer barrel does the job...

I don't know to laugh or cry!!

[Hollis]

RUNNNNNNNNNNNNNN



It is the thread that won't dieeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[martinexsquaddie]

broke several sa80s lost all confidence in said rifle when mine broke in a weapons bundle
a2 apparently works well

[baboon6]

Concur that the L85A2 is the dog's nads. I used SLR, L85A1 and A2, fired G3, HK33 and 53, now use the Austeyr.

The A1 was not too flash, but worked OK - silly faults like the mag catch being against the body and letting mags go was something that rocked peoples confidence and should have been picked up in trials.

I felt confident with the A2 on operations - the locals had a grudging respect for it too - especialy after a Cav trooper (QRH) dropped a guy from 300+ metres with an Iron sighted A2 - standing supported position - 1 round 1 kill.

Bullpup works for me - mechanized / armoured armies need a weapon that is short enough to mount/dismount from AFVs but retains barrel length.

The ability to 'reach out and touch' to ranges beyond 300 metres is not a problem of bullpups, the 5.56mm round is the key there. I understand 7.62mm MGs are being issued in rifle sections again to counter this.

Yeah, from what I've read on ARRSE each section (in Afghanistan at least) has either two Minimis or one Minimi and one GPMG.

[sexyhamburger]

I want and need wood!

thats what she said
i joke!

[REMOV]

For weak 5.56 NATO, Bullpups are best solution. Longer barrel does the job...

I don't know to laugh or cry!

Hmm... it is not so stupid as it looks like, SMGLee. In fact, the shorter 5,56-mm barrel is, the efectiveness of the bullet is lower (and this is serious problem in M4s or M733s). And the bullpup design is the only solution to get a cake and have it - to have longer barrel and short total length.

[SMGLee]

Hmm... it is not so stupid as it looks like, SMGLee. In fact, the shorter 5,56-mm barrel is, the efectiveness of the bullet is lower (and this is serious problem in M4s or M733s). And the bullpup design is the only solution to get a cake and have it - to have longer barrel and short total length.

I know the concept, what I am trying to say is this statement is just the obvious and seem to be very pointless to post on a thread that is 3 years old.