Why bullpups?

[DeltaWhisky58]

Shooting off your weak shoulder is not difficult with training/experience. I have taught myself to do it and whilst accuracy isn't quite up to shooting off my right shoulder, it's certainly OK for hunting conditions and thus I would assume military use (waits to be shot down by dozens of armchair commandos).

Despite this, I think that the concept of swapping over parts on the rifle a la Steyr AUG, is the best idea and ought to be incorporated into all bullpups.

Just as a matter of interest, does anyone here have experience of bullpup hunting/sniping rifles? A couple of friends of mine have used the French Crapahut system of hunting rifles for years, these are bolt action bullpups and are very successful if you like that sort of thing - incidentally, I detest them.

As for the original question, I have to agree - WHY?

Below (L-R) Crapuhut and Sommer und Ockenfüß bullpup rifles. N.B. the Sommer und Ockenfüß is a straight-pull bolt action operated by the pistol grip.

[BillySing]

Just as a matter of interest, does anyone here have experience of bullpup hunting/sniping rifles?

Yeah, I had a brief, yet vigorous introduction () with the AMP DSR No.1 in .300 winchester magnum, belonging to a good mate of mine.

I found it to be a thoroughly comfortable, exceptionally accurate and as a whole, simply put, magnificent.

The bullpup bolt takes some acquainting to, though after a few rounds, I found it to be a dead smooth operation. The magazine housing in the traditional location is also quite convenient, though at a first glance, highly confusing.

I would recommend one for the discerning (and cashed up) marksman.

For you Aussies, good old Hermann Finken has the complete set up...

http://www.sportingguns.com.au/Rifles/AMP/AMP.html

[theholeinthedonut]

The AMP has a very good reputation but I only got it from third hand sources and magazines though....so I won't put a bet on it. I read about the Crapahut but never saw a real one. Regarding the Sommer und Ockenfuss I met half a dozen hunters that used it and they were very happy with it, I once shot it , was nice but you can't really say much after shooting a gun twice.

[sempertalis]

The austrian armed forces have reworked their AUG so it can´t be changed to left-handed firing. There is no opening on the left side anymore. All the lefty´s must fire right-handed or they are made machine gunners.

[Hispeed1]

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[ZULU9niner]

Maybe a variation on the Bullpup design like the P90. I've fired FN FAL and Steyr AUG through my military service and recently fired the P90 in the States on holiday.

How difficult or worth while would it be to chamber a derivative design of the P90 to 5.56?

Mag on top, reduce it to say 30 rounds, offset the rounds in the mag at maybe 45* to reduce the thickness of the weapon. Ejection port at the bottom with fully ambidex controls? Longer barrel with maybe a forehand guard/grip?

Thoughts??

[oldsoak]

I think theres a need for bullpups that are ambidextrous simply because of the need to have some rifles pointing to right when going on patrol. Everytime I see sprogs on patrol, everyone has their Sa80 pointed to their left because its easier. I've almost developed a habit of looking to the left of a structure for SA80 barrels because thats where said sprog will be as it easier to stay in cover and shoot. The problem is compounded in the SA80 as the bolt handle is fixed to the bolt carrier. If they had a design like the Steyr where the handle is forward and on the left, it would be easier to shoot from the left shoulder - albeit with a few cartridge burns to the cheek. Still preferable to giving the oppo more to aim at when shooting around an obstacle.

[kutter]

Maybe a variation on the Bullpup design like the P90. I've fired FN FAL and Steyr AUG through my military service and recently fired the P90 in the States on holiday.

How difficult or worth while would it be to chamber a derivative design of the P90 to 5.56?

Mag on top, reduce it to say 30 rounds, offset the rounds in the mag at maybe 45* to reduce the thickness of the weapon. Ejection port at the bottom with fully ambidex controls? Longer barrel with maybe a forehand guard/grip?

Thoughts??

Theres the FN F2000 or the Kel-tec RFB with their forward ejection feature. They've pretty much solved the problem of an ambidextrous bullpup so maybe we'll start seeing bullpups gain more popularity since that was the major problem with them.

Plus they use existing magazines (F2000 with M-16 mags and the RFB with FAL) and ammo so it should make it easier to adopt them.

[sempertalis]

A few month ago I shot the new F2000. It´s really a fantastic weapon to shoot with. Even on full auto it´s very easy to handle. The only bull**** factor are major stopages (double feeding, etc.), in this case the only thing you can do to solve the problem is to break the weapon. Not really the thing you want to do in a battle. Other rifles, conventional or bullpups, don´t have this problem.

[Royal]

Um, when hell freezes over and pigs fly... Nada, zero, zilch, nil. Why bullpups? One advantage is you can have a long barrel and still have a short overall length for the rifle. But like the others, I'm a more conventional set-up guy when it comes to rifles like the others here.

And we've already determined that you're about as Hispeed as the guy who ran Baskin Robbins at Camp Doha in Kuwait, and therefore know nada about what USSF are actually doing...

Stay in your lane

[Hispeed1]

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[Cpl.K]

I might look stupid

Well at least you got this right.

[Hispeed1]

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[Ironsight06]

Umm-ok, sure. No bullpup assault rifles for the US in the future-that's correct right? FN SCAR-L in the final testing phase, M4's still in use, .45 cal. pistol program cancelled for now, etc. I might sound stupid in here, but I do know a couple of things, things that I can't & won't talk about.

You are such a badass.

[D-gin]

You are such a Dumbass.

I know I read that wrong so I fixed it.