I just sold my 416 upper for $4300. I'll miss it but I'll survive. I paid $3000 for it last year.
Here are some of my "shop" guns with the PWS Retrofit on them. I will state of front that I am a Authorized Installer of the PWS system so I am not trying to hide an agenda.
One of our Retro fits currently has 14K rounds through it (installed in a Post Sample M-16 that ONLY USED HOT frangible ammo).
Here are the pics...
thanks,
Ron
Took my PWS convert shooting today for the first time, and fell in love with it.Originally Posted by DoctorCheney223
You did well, and you got your upper at a good price. currently there is word on the street that 416 supplies might start to dry up. already the 14.5 are hard as heck to come by, the last batch of 25 416 uppers i seen were all 10.5 inch uppers.
By the way, that 14.5inch 416 was a beauty.....very nice set up.
Revised PWS piston update!!
Here is the break down of the components that Todd at PWS put ogether for me with love
LMT Receiver
Diemaco C8A2 14.5" Hammer Forged CL barrel
Smith Ent. Vortex G6A2
LMT bolt carrier group
PRI Gas Buster
Vortex G6A2
Daniel Defense Lite Rail.
Mid West Industry Front and Rear BUIS.
Aimpoint M4s
ADM raised M4 mount
the usual TangoDown pistol, vertical grip and rail panels
Tangodown PR-06 rear sling mount
Magpul trigger guard
Vltor e-MOD stock
Insight Technology M6x with rifle switch.
I mounted the front BUIS on the rail instead of the set screw gas block for security reason.
I did wipe it down after the Surefire class during the suppressor test. fired about five magazines with the SF can and it also ran fine, afterwards, I just took the carrier out to wipe it down and lube it with soime more Mil-Tec.
Noticen the gas block is all discolored, I shot so much without care, the metal has been disc oloered by the heat and dry as heck.
As far as the balanced carrier design with the rod attached to the gas key, this method has had no ill effect such as carrier tipping.
Recoil is very smooth with a 9mm buffer and less sharply as the LWRC. I would rank the PWS on par with the LWRC with lower pricing.
Last edited by SMGLee; 07-24-2008 at 12:54 AM.
Ah damn, that's some nice stuff Outlaw, SMGLee.
So how common are 416 uppers in the civilian market again? Seems like an awful lot of money just for one upper.
I believe it is limited production that keeps the prices high, and with out a large government order, then the production runs will be small. Maybe that will change no other military's are moving to the 416.
Also I think the must have a HK416, saw it on future weapons crowd, adds to demand, but not enough probably increase the productions runs.
Oh ok, that makes sense. I saw SMGLee's post earlier about how there were "thousands" of 416 uppers circulating, so I thought there would have been more. But with the cost of buying that upper alone, I could build another 3 or so ARs.
Ah, and how was the range time today?
I am planing 4 more systems, all will have 20" heavy barrel (bushmasters), DSArms lower receiver (bushmasters parts, stock), and a PWS system with Daniel lite rail, i looking at the cost being $1300 max with piston.Oh ok, that makes sense. I saw SMGLee's post earlier about how there were "thousands" of 416 uppers circulating, so I thought there would have been more. But with the cost of buying that upper alone, I could build another 3 or so ARs.
Ah, and how was the range time today?
There are proably a good thousand plus uppers circulating in the civilian hands, myself alone have seen over a houndred uppers. and this is just liitle ole me...Oh ok, that makes sense. I saw SMGLee's post earlier about how there were "thousands" of 416 uppers circulating, so I thought there would have been more. But with the cost of buying that upper alone, I could build another 3 or so ARs.
Ah, and how was the range time today?
somehow I believe the HK 416 uppers are around, but with about 1k on the market, it is still a hot item that people are willing to pay high mark up for.
There are rumor that Wilcox is not going to get their hands wet with the 416/417, but I have yet been able to confirm that statement. if that is the case, the HK 416 upper will remain to be expensive for awhile to come.
why four similar systems?
I have some 16 inch Cold hammer forged double chrome line mid gas length RECCE barrels that is shorter and lighter than the Bushmaster HB and it will out last and out shoot the BM barrel. I think you want an accurate DMR/SPR/RECCE/precision AR, you might want to go with a direct gas upper with one of those barrels....hanging extra weight on the front end in ways of gas regulator, pistons and so forth will always detract from your potential accuracy. Keep the barrel freeeeeeeeee!!
Doc build some very nice AKs, I bet your PWS conversion will be just as beautiful....
Here is a good quesiton, I see there are Cold hammer forged barrels and then there are cryogenic treated chrome-moly lined barrels, which one is the better?
The cyro barrel are kind of a myth, some thing that works and some don't.
cold hammer forged barrel are about the most long lasting and most accurate combat barrel the market has to offer. all the FN barrels are all hammer forged.
do some research, you will find those are probably the barrel to have in a combat arm.
Thanks I will look around for those that sell AR cold hammer forged barrels.
Nice builds.
Thank you for sharing the pictures.
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