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It looks to be a fusion of Surion and Eurocopter Tiger. A major change from the Tiger is the retainment of Surion's original engines. It doesn't have a Hind-like capability anymore, and is purely dedicated to attack helicopter role.Originally Posted by Rahlgd
Partnership between KAI and Eurocopter extend beyond Surion. According to this article, KAI is also responsible for the final assembly of some Eurocopter Dauphins, likely for Asian customers like Japan and Hong Kong. I think adding Tiger to the list of cooperation won't hurt their business at all.
Arrival at Daegu:
Shingung MANPAD:
The most widely accepted urban myth(?) about the Shingung is that, first, it is in fact based on the MBDA Mistral. However, during the course of Mistral's license-production by LIG Nex1, MBDA refused to allow LIG Nex1 to license-produce the IR sensor and IFF interrogator, to protect the technology contained within. The pissed off (lol) LIG Nex1 then took the Russian Igla's sensor and IFF interrogator instead and mixed it with Mistral, so that LIG Nex1 could domestically produce the whole system, and at the same time they applied a more miniaturized rocket booster on the missile to decrease its size and weight, while preserving Mistral's original firepower and also increasing the range, to make the R&D more worthwhile. The smaller missile now required warhead, airframe, and launcher of different specifications, and that further reduced IP liability. There's no longer an 'MBDA' tag in Shingung's designation. LIG Nex1 subsequently halted its license-production program of Mistral and switched to Shingung. In Korea, Mistral can be differentiated from Shingung by the lack of an IFF interrogator, and a slightly bigger and heavier launcher.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMcDOH8N0K8
Samsung Techwin replaced Samsung Electronics in Samsung Thales. I hope we won't have uglier booth girls now.
http://www.alacrastore.com/company-s...Co_Ltd-1086722
Samsung Thales:
Samsung Techwin:
My preference is clear.
so that means shingung is a castrated Mistral?
why just not ask the yanks to ToT FIM-92?
EDIT:why to i feel turned off by the korean chicks...../runs
So much cooperation between French and Korean businesses... not just in defense industry, I just learned about this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korea_Train_Express
Operated by Korail, the system's technology is largely based on the French TGV/LGV system.
Then you have STX in too, that owns the main ship building yard in France. Too bad Korean AF didn't deemed Rafale acceptable.
ps: And since we are slightly off topic alread, is any of you guys planning to attend Korean F1 grand prix?
It's a castrated Mistral replanted with Russian balls. We don't need the yanks' flaccid FIM-92 when we've got the Big Bear's rock-hard SA-16.Well, not all technology were transferred from Russia, and overall the new designing and design recombination were facilitated through Korean engineering. Bad for nationalism? Yes, we can hardly call the system properly indigenous. But I don't think the military (or the economy-centric Korean government, for that matter) care that much. Military and economic convenience matters more in their book.
Mistral:
Found this on the same ship that equipped the Mistral above; nice improvisation.
Turned off? Surely not by the first girl. I dunno about the other three though.
Hyundai Rotem assimilated some good technology when designing the KTX-I from the French TGV/LGV. The new KTX-II took the assimilated technology a step further. Hyundai Rotem is trying to make the US the first historical purchaser of Korean bullet trains via the KTX-II sales to California. It's the same company producing the K2.
STX Offshore & Shipbuilding is the main financial sustainer of Europe's largest shipbuilders. It acquired the largest shipyards of many European countries including France, Norway, and Finland, and put them all under the combined leadership of a new company named STX Eruope, which became Europe's largest shipbuilder. STX Europe also experienced the least drop in employment or production capacity among major European shipbuilders during the global financial crisis because Korea was able to avoid recession during that time. STX Europe is both Europe's largest shipbuilder and most energetically growing shipbuilder (so it's not likely to lose the 'largest European shipbuilder' title any time soon), supported by Korea's own energetic economic growth. STX France is its largest subsidiary.
The competition between Rafale and F-15K during the FX-1/2 evaluation took place with the Rafale assumed to be equipping an AESA radar and the F-15K equipping an MSA radar. If ROKAF today (or 4 years ago) decided to immediately upgrade F-15K with AN/APG-163(v)3 radars, that would have fostered a lot different performance expectations for F-15K and Rafale. Thales is still experiencing a substantial delay in delivering Rafale's AESA radars in sufficient numbers even to the FAF, and that would have rendered the ROKAF Rafale less capable than originally promised. Furthermore, a competition between an MSA radar-equipped Rafale and an AESA radar-equipped F-15K (as a readily available 'growth potential' package) would have blown the competition more out of proportions, if that was how the evaluation proceeded.
And this might be a surprise, but because of dollar's depreciation and Euro's appreciation during the global financial crisis, Rafale actually cost as much as F-15K in the Korean currency. Korea is still in the process of paying for the fighters, so Korea would be paying for an overpriced plane today compared to the capability it was promised to deliver by Dassault, if it chose the Rafale. So in the end, ROKAF thinks that its decision ultimately proved to be the right decision, even though it couldn't forsee something like a global financial crisis.
If I would be attending that, I'd go more for the racing girls, not the racing cars. However, I'm planned to arrive in Korea 2 days after the occasion, so no Grand Prix for me either way.
Last edited by Ambassador; 09-09-2010 at 08:17 AM.
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btw,about that K-ATGM,is it a korean answer to Javelin?any more news about it(like the development stage,export,pricetag,etc)?
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The military wants an ATGM that's equal to the newest blocks of Javelin, while being cheaper.
The similarity of the shapes of the launchers (Javelin and K-ATGM) seem to be pretty coincidental. You could even say that the K-ATGM looks closer to Panzerfausts by looking at these pictures, though Panzerfausts are pretty unrelated to K-ATGM.
There are two types of K-ATGM under development right now. On the background of this picture (foreground is Shingung) is shown the launcher of a vehicle-level K-ATGM. It weighs 50 kg and it will primarily be equipped as a quad-launcher system on the K21. I don't know what parallel ATGMs are in existence.
Infantry-level K-ATGM missile under development about three years ago:
Prototypes were supposed to be tested this year. There are no words on it yet.
Btw, the median age of main researchers in LIG Nex1 is 25 years. They have got a fun time ahead...
http://www.linkedin.com/companies/lig-nex1
Last edited by Ambassador; 09-09-2010 at 11:05 AM.
K-ATGM very interesting , any other infantry weapons under development in the ROK ?
We had 66mm anti-material thermobaric rocket, thermobaric hand grenades, and thermobaric K4 grenades in development years ago. A separate thermobaric rocket for PZF-3 was being developed as well. They'll flush out caves and trenches and bunkers nicely. They are regarded as minor weapons, so the developer often doesn't formally announce the completion of their developments to the public, if they already are completed.
I love the smell of napalm in the morning.
We had 66mm anti-material thermobaric rocket, thermobaric hand grenades, and thermobaric K4 grenades in development years ago. A separate thermobaric rocket for PZF-3 was being developed as well. They'll flush out caves and trenches and bunkers nicely. They are regarded as minor weapons, so the developer often doesn't formally announce the completion of their developments to the public, if they already are completed.
This is the attack helicopter shown few posts back. It's actually a new hybrid civilian utility/light attack helicopter design pursued by KAI, codenamed simply 'LAH' (Light Attack Helicopter), which I speculate is derived from the design of Bell 429. KAI is the primary developer and manufacturer of Bell 429's complete airframe structure (fuselage, tail, tailboom, cabin wiring, fuel containment and supply system).
Military-version Bell 429:
They both have 4 weapon hardpoints. LAH is slightly heavier than Bell 429, at around 4-5 tons, weighing closer to Cobra. LAH will use the same weapons that the current ROKA Cobras can. However, a 20mm Vulcan gun that's supposed to be standard-issue for attack helicopters like this is missing from LAH's current design... that doesn't look good. I'm starting to suspect that the only advantages LAH will offer over other light attack helicopters already in the market are its multi-role use and affordability. But KAI's insistent on pursuing the program, to at least replace ROKA's 500MD and Bo-105 that are quickly reaching the limit of their usefulness. Just hope this project wouldn't negatively affect the progress of KAH.
Super Aegis II:
It's the successor of Aegis I, Aegis II, and Super Aegis I robots that served with Zaytun Division. 14 of this unit were already sold to UAE. It's equipped with the 12.7mm K6 machine gun, with effective range of 1200 meters. It can one-shot snipe a watermelon-sized target 400m away.
Helicopter UAV:
Turbojet engine for UAVs:
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