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Originally Posted by em_twofourzero
Just went down to Seoul yesterday and could have sworn that I saw a Vulcan (or Vulcan-like gun) on top of a high rise. Obviously, not going to say where exactly, for OPSEC, but was just wondering if the ROKA practices this, or if mine eyes were playing tricks on me.
Couldn't be too much of a secret, seeing as you'd need a Chinook or Skycrane to get it up there.
Exposing where the weaknesses of the standard issue RoK flak vest lies would be in violation of OPSEC. Seriously, how many people do you think know that? I bet a good deal of guys who use it don't even know.
By the way your information on the flak vest is wrong anyhow. Where your information is inaccurate, I won't say. Or maybe it is accurate. See how confusing this could be for someone looking up the information?
Two four zero, your eyes did not mess with you.
As with the protests... yeah Kim Dae-jung and Noh Moo-hyun come from "democracy" protest backgrounds. Unfortunately for them, there are folks whose power derives soley from protests and public anger/fear. These groups continue to fuel this and try to constantly undermine democratically elected Presidents. The truth is, it is not about democracy, rather about undermining and destroying leadership. "Standing up" against the government if you will. All their words are unimportant. It is simply about the power of the protest leaders. Without protest, without the appearance of tyranny, they are nothing. They will find any reason to start a protest. The truth, reason, logic and common sense are not important.
The public often acts as a response to expectations. Is this a sad occasion? Am I expected to feel sad? Then I should and will.
Never mind that Noh Moo-hyun was so unpopular he nearly got impeached.
Yeah you won't find much on any AA stuff in English actually.
But quite honestly in a city as large as Seoul, you'd think that there's something there that is supposed to shoot down airplanes. It's not like Seoul is completely void of all military presence.
RoK OPSEC rules as far as I know:
No unauthorized photo of equipment, training or markings.
No unauthorized release of information regarding schedules, training, food... just about everything.
Abuse issues should be reported to appropriate chain of command (instead of shooting your mouth off to some nosy reporter).
So basically unless it's got a government stamp on it, you're left with mug shots and "Yes, everything is fine and dandy."
The a photo of the vest itself may not be an issue (simply because there is a LOT of officially released photos of them), but the specifications and effectiveness would definitely be an OPSEC violation.
Yeah on Seoul AAA defences, there are quite a few you can find on Google Earth. I'm mulling over doing a "Bluffer's guide: Fortress South Korea" but need to think through the OPSEC issues given DPRK is probably the only country that doesn't have ready access to satellite imagery unless the Russians and Chinese are giving it to them. DPRK almost certainly know everything I'm about to write and much more I don't know about Seoul's air defences, but given the recent events I think it's respectful to SK not to post imagery of their not-so-secret rooftop AAA. But we can give some general descriptions:
Quite a lot of 20mm Vulcan at airports and air bases. Mostly around the perimeter. When I say quite a lot, I mean lots - possibly the most AAA of any country on a per-airbase basis. Even so many positions are empty on GE imagery, probably spare positions. Many were probably originally set up for quad-50 cal AAA.
Several more established AAA sites in Seoul that are essentially military complexes. Some look to be 35mm AAA rather than Vulcan.
There are also publicly shown Mistral SAM sites on buildings but these are too small to find on Google Earth.
Random fact: nearly every tallish building in Seoul has a helipad on the roof.
Hawk and Patriot batteries. Widely known locations so minimal OPSEC relevance.
It just occurred to me that AAA at airbases in S Korea has been shown to journalists so hardly a secret. Here are a few links to see some stuff on Google satellite imagery. Click the link and set the map to satellite:
Vulcan at airport: CLICK
There are a lot of empty positions at this location. Eg. HERE
You're probably one of those idiots who think faces are blacked out in photos because it makes them look bad ass.
How old are you to say this? Like i said you dont know me but you try to be on this forum a bad ass. You are a hypocrite but you probably dont even know what this means.I tried to use logic with you but in response you offended me twice i didnt offend you...
Im done with you becouse its just stupid to talk with you.
It makes me quite surprise that ROK as bunch of OPSEC on this and that.
Actually OPSEC is very important in any military.
Now if there's been enough official press releases about the stuff, then it probably isn't much of an issue but if we're dealing with information that's actually not readily available, that's a whole new can of worms.
Let's put it this way, if you went through enough material on the internet for a long time, you'd probably be able to piece together information and determine things that would be in violation of OPSEC if publshed together but it would take you time to compile that sort of information yourself. So by the time you've figured it out, the information is no longer very timely. So although information isn't always kept as a secret, it's somewhat intentional that it is hard to find. By compiling hard to find information together, you'd be doing the right people a disservice.
Yeah, we can discuss stuff, but the actual effectiveness of particular equipment, their performance in actuality etc. is a no brainer OPSEC violation.
For a certain individual here it may not be important but I still have friends in the RoK military who do this for a living so for me, OPSEC is important.
Actually our BN S2 educated us again on OPSEC so clearly I have no idea what I am talking about.
OPSEC is bad for two kinds of people
1) The enemy
2) Hobbyists (i.e. Air Softers)