Reply With QuoteThanks Xav, I came across the picture while trolling for Naval pics, It's definitely submersable as you can see the "Diving Planes" (I think) but it sure looks like something out of a WWII horror story. I just had to post it though.
Hump
Looks like Surcouf class of "submarine cruiser" (didn't even know such a class existed)Originally Posted by Hump
And what the hell is this??? I think it's a submersable sub hunter as well as a hydrafoil
http://www.netmarine.net/g/bat/surcouf/photos.htm
tragic destiny: In 1942 it receives order to join the Pacific (Sidney) to participate in the fight against Japan but gets sunk in the Gulf of Mexico on its way to Panama canal by a US Cargo ship (Thomson Lykes)
Thanks Xav, I came across the picture while trolling for Naval pics, It's definitely submersable as you can see the "Diving Planes" (I think) but it sure looks like something out of a WWII horror story. I just had to post it though.
Hump
Here's what I found using "tineye" image search:And what the hell is this??? I think it's a submersable sub hunter as well as a hydrafoil
FROM CARLTONHOBBS.NET
A Life Aquatic, with the Submarine ‘Surcouf’
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One of our pieces here at Carlton Hobbs is an attractive model of a French navy submarine, the Surcouf, bearing the maker’s name ‘P. Jouffroy’ and dated 1993. We decided to do some research into the vessel and uncovered a tale of treachery, diplomacy, violence and gold smuggling on the high seas during World War II, featuring one of the most unusual warships ever built.
A totally new departure in naval design, the Surcouf, launched in October 1929, was an ‘underwater cruiser’ that could travel submerged but would surface to engage targets like a conventional naval vessel with it’s powerful 8in. guns mounted in a sealed turret forward of the conning tower. At the time the largest submarine ever built she also carried a floatplane to spot targets, a motorboat and a crew of over 100 when most submarines carried only 40 or so. The French navy originally ordered three of these ‘Corsair’ submarines as they called them, but the Surcouf (appropriately named after a 17th century French privateer captain) was the only one in service when in early 1930 the London naval treaty, of which France was a signatory, limited the tonnage and armaments of submarines. She was exempt as being already in service but her planned sister ships were never built.
After the French surrender in 1940 the Surcouf sailed to Plymouth. Churchill, concerned about the French fleet falling into GCarlton Hobbs surcouf3erman or Vichy French hands, ordered all French ships to surrender to the Royal Navy. In the UK the only serious incident occurred on board the Surcouf when she was boarded by the British. Three British sailors and one French crewman were killed during a gun battle, and then the hospital ship repatriating some of the crew to France was sunk by the Germans. This incident created lasting bitterness between the British and the French for the rest of the Surcouf’s short-lived career, with both sides accusing the other of spying. The British also accused the ship of attacking allied vessels, and she was rumoured to have fired on an American destroyer, killing 2 sailors.Carlton Hobbs surcouf1
The Surcouf disappeared on the night of 18th February 1942 80 miles off the Panamanian coast. Her fate has variously been blamed on the Bermuda triangle, collision with an American steamer that reported hitting a submerged object, and even that she was surprised while re-fuelling a German U-boat by the US coast guard. Recent research seems to prove that she was in fact sunk by American bombers based in Panama who mistook her for a U-boat. An unsubstantiated rumour claims she was carrying a portion of the French national gold reserves in her cargo hold at the time of her sinking. Elegant carved nautical models such as this are very decorative and were often commissioned by owners (or officers of the crew in the case of naval vessels). For example the New York Yacht Club in Newport, R.I. has a room full of such models of member’s boats. As with this example, they were often slightly idealized, being sleeker and more elegant than the actual vessel. What is a mystery is why this model was made 51 years after it’s subject sank with all hands
Excellent work Skyeye, and a good story also, sneaky little buggers...lol It still looks like a serious bit of machinery though.
Hump
The heaviest sub of its time... and a few more fun stories such as:
Wolfert did accompany the submarine to Halifax, Nova Scotia where, on 20 December, they joined the Free French corvettes Mimosa, Aconit, and Alysse, and on Christmas eve took control of the islands for Free France without resistance. Probably the only time in history where a submarine not only have lead an amphibious assault, but also have had the largest caliber armament of all participating units.
If you want to read more about this sub:
Le Surcouf – or stuff you learn gaming. http://polarcoordinate.wordpress.com...-learn-gaming/
Now let's get back on topic gents
source:http://instapinch.com/?p=528In the summer of ‘90 Big Jack and her airwing, CVW-3 ended up down off Puerto Rico running a little passing exercise (PASEX) with the French carrier FOCH.
The French had these Super Entendards they flew, along with some F-8 Crusaders. For the life of me I can’t remember how the air combat engagements with the Entendards went. With the tanks we had on (making the Tomcat a real pig at times), I’m not certain we did much – if any – real First-Class-A-One-honkin’-big-down-in-the-weeds-knife-fight-in-a-phone-booth type of air combat, but I know we would have turned with them a bit. Regarding the external fuel tanks, usually one of the first steps in a real-world air engagement would have been to pickle the tanks off – just get rid of them. Due to the cost of those suckers, though, you wouldn’t punch them off unless you…like…*really* needed to or they were dry as a bone (any self-respecting carrier aviator is loath to throw away good fuel. I remember checking our fuel ladder once in the Med and telling Rev “We’re fat on gas” and have him reply “You’re never fat on gas”. Rev grew up and cut his teeth in F-4 Phantoms, where fuel management was an art AND a science and essential to bringing that aircraft back to the ship).
The two US – Libyan engagements (83 and 89) saw brief air combat, but neither section of Tomcats punched off their tanks. This, of course, was more due to the ineptitude of the Libyan Air Force pilots than anything else, but had these been 1) competent pilots 2) better aircraft (SU-22 and MiG 23 are not exactly fighters) and 3) a situation in extremis, you’d probably see those tanks hit the water and the Turkey turn into the sleek, svelte Aerospace War Machine that it truly is
At some point during this 3 or 4 day PASEX, the French lost a F-8. I don’t remember the exact circumstances, but I think it was in the landing pattern (vice departing the aircraft in a dogfight or something similar). The pilot punched out and was recovered safely. We (CAG 3) had one of our officers spending a few days over on FOCH (a small exchange program) and afterward he said when the helo landed back on deck after recovering the pilot, all flight operations were shut down for the rest of the day, the wine was broken out and everyone got drunk as can be. Viva la French!
Thanks Xav, I can now sit down and have a nice quiet read before going to work, I've got another good post coming up probably Wednesday, work permitting.
Have a most excellent day guys.
Hump
Very nice pic, Xav. Notice small canards on F-14a, better known as glove vanes.
Some old aircraft/ escort carriers..
HMS Argus
USS Boxer
USS Barnes
Bearn (french aircraft carrier)
HMS Dasher
USS Block Island
Thanks for posting D-Mitch! Those CVE aka "Jeep" carriers played a vital role in WWII.
March 13th 2010, French Navy nuclear powered aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle R91 docked in the southern port of Limassol,Cyprus for a friendly port call.
^ Strange picture BD, it looks like the ship is empty, look at the water line at the stern... it even looks like she is not sitting even on the water, the bow seems lower than the stern.
Aarrvv probably she blew her ballast before entering port and may have dumped some fresh water to lighten the load and may have a minimum amount of fuel. I don't know how deep that port is...
Speaking of Euro CVs..
I'm not the smartest guy in the world but compare the island of the IN 550 Cavour and the USS Makin Island..humm....
IN 550 Cavour en-route to Haiti January 2010
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PACIFIC OCEAN (Dec. 5, 2009) An AV-8B Harrier assigned to Marine Attack Squadron (VMA) 311 takes off from the amphibious assault ship USS Makin Island (LHD 8).
Very Similar Island ahhh??? What do u think Popeye???
And another for today
Hires
ATLANTIC OCEAN (March 11, 2010) Quartermaster Seaman Matthew Rivera, from Mount Bethel, Penn., signals to Sailors aboard the aircraft carrier USS Carl Vinson (CVN 70) from the guided-missile cruiser USS Bunker Hill (CG 52) during an underway replenishment. Carl Vinson, along with Bunker Hill, is participating in Southern Seas 2010, a U.S. Southern Command-directed operation that provides U.S. and other forces the opportunity to operate in a multi-national environment. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 2nd Class Daniel Barker/Released)
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ATLANTIC OCEAN (March 12, 2010) Landing signals officers aboard aircraft carrier USS George H.W. Bush (CVN 77) watch an E2-C Hawkeye assigned to Carrier Airborne Early Warning Squadron (VAW) 120 land on the ship during flight operations. The George H.W. Bush is underway in the Atlantic Ocean in support of fleet training exercises. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class Brent Thacker/Released)
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PACIFIC OCEAN (March 12, 2010) Aviation Ordnanceman Airman Justin Fezel, from Sandy Valley, Nev., gives a thumbs up to signal that the firing line is loaded and ready during an M-16 gun shoot aboard the aircraft carrier USS Nimitz (CVN 68). Nimitz and embarked Carrier Air Wing (CVW) 11 are in transit back to the United States after an eight-month deployment to the Arabian Sea supporting Operation Enduring Freedom and western Pacific region promoting peace, regional cooperation and stability. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 2nd Class John Philip Wagner Jr./Released)
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ATLANTIC OCEAN (March 12, 2010) Air department Sailors ensure the safety of the flight deck as an E-2C Hawkeye assigned to Carrier Airborne Early Warning Squadron (VAW) 120 lands aboard the aircraft carrier USS George H.W. Bush (CVN 77). George H.W. Bush is underway in the Atlantic Ocean supporting fleet training operations. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 2nd Class Micah P. Blechner/Released)
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They ships have very similar power-plants ..so's there's going to be similar exhaust.Very Similar Island ahhh??? What do u think Popeye???
Makin Island..
http://marinelink.com/news/article/332478.aspx
CavourBrien Bolsinger, general manager of GE Marine, Evendale, Ohio, said “There are more than 380 LM2500+s operating in industrial settings throughout the world, yet the USS Makin Island marks the first military marine use of this aeroderivative gas turbine.”
The hybrid propulsion system’s gas turbines and electric motors operate independently. The LM2500+ gas turbines, which provide a total of 70,000 horsepower (hp), are used for high speed service, propelling the vessel to more than 20 knots. The two diesel electric motors combined provide 10,000 hp and are used for low speed operation. The ability to select the best mix of power plants to match the immediate mission requirements provides the opportunity for significant fuel savings and reduction in operating costs for the ship.
http://digilander.libero.it/en_mezzi...en_cavour.html
Propulsion: 4 gas turbines LM2500 for a total of 88 MW (max. continuous power), 2 5-bladed shafts, bow and aft thrusters with a orientable propeller blades.
Electric: at 660 V and 50 Hz for a total power installed of 17.6 MW, approximately 270% of the maximum power demand. The system is composed of 6 groups diesel-generatori from 2200 KW Wärtsilä 12 V200 CW and two groups generator/alternator sets directly driven by the propulsion plant, also from 2200 KW.
Admiral Gorshkov Vs Vikramaditya
Excellent page so far guys great pictures, I have an enormous post to throw up, some of the pictures will be reposts but a lot you may not have seen before.
(I hope) I have put them all in order so I need to have the re posted ones and yes it's still a work in progress. Here we go with the first of about 126 pictures.
Well that's it so far, I think that this one is the biggest post on the whole thread so far Popeye...woo woo Anyway guys I hope you enjoy the pics and as I said it's a work in progress so I will be adding to it as I find new pics.
Hump --
It could be a unique thread with the title : How to transport, rebuilt an aircraft carrier with detailed picturesWell that's it so far, I think that this one is the biggest post on the whole thread so far Popeye...woo woo Anyway guys I hope you enjoy the pics and as I said it's a work in progress so I will be adding to it as I find new pics. Hump
Excellent and impressive post Hump, thank you
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