Just want to say thanks to all contributers of this thread.
Aircraft Carriers and their battle group express so much power, it's always impressive.
That JLOS (or JSS in english) is a stupid idea anyway. How much more sea-basing/transportation do we need? We've already got the Rotterdam and Johan de Witt. (It's just taking the "purple" thinking beyond reason, if you ask me.)
We should have spend the money on more capable OPV's or now spend it on a true LHD and just get ordinary oilers.
But maybe the RNLN thinks it's the only way to keep two oilers in the future, by giving them more than just a replenishment task.
Let's just sea what the "strategische verkenningen" will bring.
[SIZE=1](Like I don't know already. The (political) ambitions will be huge, the amount they are willing to spend will be zero. The amount will stay at about 1,5% and the ambitions will not become smaller. And our country is so dependent on trade, and therefore on stability in the world, that it is ridiculous to spend so little on defence.) [/SIZE]
United States Navy and multi national force
- I'm told the Spanish aren't in this pic so I'd guess British, Dutch, French, German
( Anyone identify the ships ?)
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the most right (of the photo) vessel looks like a Dutch M-classe frigate and in the center you have Charles de Gaulle and hms Ocean
but I'd need a higher res photo (except for the centre, that's definatly de Gaulle and Ocean)
edit: first ship in the same row as the M Class frigate (in front of the big undoubtedly US carrer) seems to be a French La Fayette class frigate
Another point, if we get two AC's, what will we escort them with? One is doable, but two would be a cause of major strain on operational capability of the navy. Of course the navy could use it a spearhead to buy more ships(like that'll happen if The Hague didn't sell the M's they wouldn't have to buy new ones for quite some years, case of bad management if you ask me)
I could see a budget increase happen, but there'd need to be some major incident to convince the government(just like placing a trafficlight after the accident happens)
But hey, like you said, we can dream right?
source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Fleet_5_nations.jpgA rare occurence of a 5-country multinational fleet, during Operation Enduring Freedom in the Oman Sea. In four descending columns, from left to right: [*******#0000ff]ITS Maestrale[/COLOR] (F 570), [*******#0000ff]De Grasse[/COLOR] (D 612); [*******#0000ff]USS John C. Stennis[/COLOR] (CVN 74), [*******#0000ff]Charles de Gaulle[/COLOR] (R 91), [*******#0000ff]Surcouf[/COLOR] (F 711); [*******#0000ff]USS Port Royal[/COLOR] (CG-73), [*******#0000ff]HMS Ocean[/COLOR] (L 12), [*******#0000ff]USS John F. Kennedy[/COLOR] (CV 67), [*******#0000ff]HNLMS Van Amstel[/COLOR] (F 831); and [*******#0000ff]ITS Luigi Durand de la Penne[/COLOR] (D 560) (18th of April 2002).
Original DoD caption:
Naval vessels from five nations sail in parade formation for a rare photographic opportunity at sea. From top row left to right: the Italian Navy (Marina Militare) ship Maestrale Class Frigate MM MAESTRALE (F 570), French Navy Tourville Class Destroyer DE GRASSE (D 612), Nimitz Class Aircraft Carrier USS JOHN C. STENNIS (CVN 74), US Navy (USN) Ticonderoga Class Cruisers USS PORT ROYAL (CG 73), French Navy Charles de Gaulle Class Aircraft Carrier CHARLES DE GAULLE (R 91), Royal Navy Helicopter Carrier, Her Majestys Ship (HMS) OCEAN (L 12), French La Fayette Class Frigate SURCOUF (F 711), Aircraft Carrier USS JOHN F. KENNEDY (CV 67), Netherlands Navy Karel Doorman Class Frigate Her Majestys Netherlands Ship (Harer Majesteits) (HNLMS) VAN AMSTEL (F 831), Italian Navy De La Penne (ex-Animoso) Class Destroyer, MM LUIGI DURAND DE LA PENNE (ex Animoso) (D 560). The coalition forces are deployed in support of Operation ENDURING FREEDOM. (Released to Public)
DoD photo by: PH3 ALTA I. CUTLER, USN Date Shot: 18 Apr 2002
ah there we go
even a better resolution photo
besides the joint support ship would have the same 'problem' as it displaces more water then for instance the Italian Garibaldi
I'd escort it with 1 LCF and 1 sub
If those politicians just hadn't sold all of the M-class ships and bought 4 OPV's and we wouldn't buy a JSS, we could have bought 2 small cariers and easily escort them with 2 M's and 1 LCF and 1 sub.
Personnel on the other hand might have been a problem. And maybe the associated cost of operating them as well.
Fresh from the Daily thread!...
I just found PIX of the RN Ark Royal. Enjoy!
GARE LOCH, UNITED KINGDOM - MARCH 12: HMS Ark Royal makes its way up The Gareloch towards Faslane Naval base, 25 miles from Glasgow, after being on manoeuvres of the coast of Scotland March 12, 2008 in Scotland. The 20,600 ton Royal Navy flagship, launched in 1981, is expected to remain in service until 2016. (Photo by Jeff J Mitchell/***** Images)