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    Default South Africa : The Racist Capital of the World

    Here is a good video, about the situation in South Africa:

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=-GLVdgA1jJU

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    I can't say I know much about the intricacies of South African history and culture. I have a friend who is an Afrikaner from Cape Town who left in the late 90's because of the economy. I like to pick her brain on politics and developments in her home country. She has several interesting stories, but then can also veer off into what us Americans would consider "politically incorrect" opinions. Definitely an interesting duality that I would like to learn more about. It's kinda like when Northerners talk like they know and understand the South...you have to live there and experience it firsthand to really grasp the problem.

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    LOL one persons view turns SA into the racist capital of the world

    Of course there are racists here of all shapes and colours, but for the most part they are in the minority. The rest of us just want to get on with our lives and dont really care to much about colour.

    Read this

    Is black SA turning old friends into foes?


    By Pius Adesarmi

    The letters came within two days of each other. The first was an invitation from Professor Georges Harault, director of the French Institute of South Africa (IFAS). Three years after my last visit to South Africa to assess the perception of Francophone African literatures in universities, IFAS was again inviting me as visiting scholar.

    The second was from Chris Dunton, the chairperson of the English Department of the National University of Lesotho at Roma. Like Harault, Dunton was inviting me to Lesotho as visiting scholar.

    I arranged a few other engagements and braced up for a very engaging psychic reconnection with the African continent.

    'Ah, the good old days of apartheid!'I needed the return to Africa badly. I had been away from the continent for an uncomfortable stretch, carrying out my scholarly labour in the minefield of North American academe, writing Africa "from a rift", as Achille Mbembe would put it. I also needed a reprieve from the oppression of the North American media image of Africa.

    The African living here is in constant danger of accepting whatever image of Africa he or she is presented by the media as gospel truth.

    In North America, I have been consistently assailed, assaulted, and oppressed with images of Africa traceable to the colonial library: Africa-as-Aids, Africa-as-hunger, Africa-as-civil war, Africa-as-corruption, Africa-as-the-antithesis-of-democracy, Africa-as-everything-we-are-glad-not-to-be.

    You get tired of the ritual of explaining to charmingly ignorant interlocutors that there is a fundamental distinction between the Africa they see on CNN and the real Africa.

    I also wanted a break from Occidentalism. Fernando Coronil, the scholar who coined this term, uses the concept to account for those discursive, usually innocuous processes through which the West turns difference into hierarchy and reproduces existing asymmetrical power relations. Occidentalism covers all the mundane quotidian events through which the West constantly reminds the immigrant of his otherness, strangeness, and difference.

    'Truth is our right, Jah is our might, we must free South Africa'Departure date finally came around. "Be careful. Urban violence is rife in South Africa," the Nigerian friends who drove me to the airport warned. I shrugged and dismissed their anxiety. There may be violence in South Africa; I certainly was not going to be scared of returning to Africa. I wasn't going to be afraid of black people in Africa.

    I arrived in Johannesburg on a cold July morning. A delighted Harault was on hand at the airport to welcome me. We drove straight to the offices of IFAS located in downtown Johannesburg.

    Later I announced to Harault that I was going to take a stroll. I was eager to get a feel of the same streets I had seen three years earlier.

    Harault's countenance changed. "Be careful. Don't go out there with your wallet. You could get mugged." I assured Harault I would be all right but took the precaution of leaving my valuables in his office.

    I started my walk on the busy Bree Street. For someone who had walked the same street three years earlier, I could not help but observe the heavy black presence. Like the Hillbrow area, blacks have taken over downtown Johannesburg.

    The official principle of separate development through which racial segregation was enforced under apart-heid seems to have been replaced by what one may call an unofficial principle of voluntary separation.

    While separate development instituted an order in which blacks had to move out whenever whites moved in, as was the case in Sophiatown, voluntary separation now induces whites to move out quietly whenever and wherever blacks move in.

    In office complexes and shopping malls, one does not fail to notice the ubiquitous "To Let" signs, evidence of white retreat to "safe" areas of the city like Rosebank or back "home" to Britain, Holland, Canada and Australia.

    I was about to cross a busy intersection when a street sign told me I was on Fox Street. Fox street! I had heard a lot of terrifying things about that street since my last trip to South Africa. It is said to be one of the most violent streets in Johannesburg. One could get mugged or killed for as little as R100. I looked around me anxiously.

    I was surrounded by a sea of inscrutable black faces. I touched my forehead and found out, much to my irritation, that I was perspiring profusely. It was winter in South Africa! And to my utter embarrassment, I discovered that I relaxed and felt safer each time white faces appeared in the crowd. Here was I, a black man, looking anxiously for white faces to feel safe from black violence in an African city!

    I reluctantly came to the realisation that I was far more affected by the oppression of the image of "black violence" in South Africa than I had been willing to admit.

    The image of the post-apartheid black condition in South Africa always have two constantly-repeated, over-sensationalised buzzwords: mugging, robbery.

    That image had quietly slipped into my subconscious and was responsible for my feeling so uneasy amidst my own kind in a busy street in Johannesburg. I hurried back to IFAS.

    On hearing that I had arrived in Johannesburg, Professor Harry Garuba came from his base at the University of Cape Town to spend a weekend with me. After a joyful reunion we hit town.

    Harry wanted to see downtown Johannesburg. He also needed to go to the Consulate-General of Nigeria in Rosebank.

    As we meandered our way through the ever busy Bree Street, Harry could not help observing how filthy downtown Johannesburg had become.

    I had made the same disturbing observation myself the day I arrived, but had been reluctant to accept the disturbing fact that decay of public infrastructure seems to be the story in areas of the city inhabited by blacks.

    Predominantly black areas have become an eyesore. The beautiful lawns and flowerbeds I noticed in some areas three years earlier now tell sad stories of degradation.

    Some of them have become open-air urinals. Harry and I were worried. We tried to place ourselves in the shoes of white South Africans discussing the now filthy streets of Hillbrow and downtown Johannesburg: "Ah, the good old days of apartheid!"

    When Harry concluded his business at the Nigerian consulate, we took a bus and headed back to Hrault's residence.

    I still don't know what it was about us that gave us away as foreigners but the other passengers, all blacks, lapsed into an uneasy silence as soon as we entered. I looked at the faces around us and thought I saw hostility.

    The tension in the air was so thick you could cut it with a knife. Harry confirmed my worst fears when we left the bus. I had just experienced, firsthand, South African xenophobia and I was to experience it again and again throughout my three-month sojourn in that country.

    Harry explained to me with the coolness of someone used to it that the black South African passengers on the bus had identified us as makwerekwere, hence the ***** hostility.

    Makwerekwere is the derogatory term used by black South Africans to describe non-South African blacks. It reminds one of how the ancient Greeks referred to foreigners whose language they did not understand as the Barbaroi.

    To the black South African, makwerekwere refers to black immigrants from the rest of Africa, especially Nigerians. I was confounded by the fact that black South Africa had begun to manufacture its own k*****s so soon after apartheid.

    As I later discovered after a series of encounters, black South Africans have found an easy explanation for the myriad problems of poverty, housing, transportation, unemployment, crime, violence, decay of public and social infrastructure.

    "Ah, the makwerekwere! These Nigerians are all criminals! When they are not busy trafficking drugs, they are taking over our jobs, our houses and, worse, our women.

    "All foreigners must leave this country!" What Salman Rushdie refers to as a "demonising process" of the Other is at work here and the consequences are predictably disastrous.

    There is so much anger and frustration among the Nigerians I met in South Africa. Most of them have become paranoid, living permanently in fear.

    In a discussion with some Nigerian medical doctors in Pretoria, I observed that their anger is directed more at black South African leaders.

    "Imagine these South Africans treating us like this. They think apartheid came to an end because they fought in Sharpeville and Soweto. It means Mandela never told them the truth. Mbeki never told them the truth."

    The doctors were referring to Nigeria's heavy moral, political, and financial investment in the anti-apartheid struggle.

    Nigeria's financial and political commitment to that cause was total and unflinching. In the 1970s and 1980s, the South African freedom struggle was completely woven into Nigeria's national imagery, so much so that a Nigerian leader, Olusegun Obasanjo, suggested we mobilised "African juju" and other maraboutic forces of African sorcery to attack PW Botha and free our black brothers in South Africa. And he wasn't joking.

    Every Nigerian musician, from reggae singers to fuji musicians in the Yoruba tradition, waxed radical anti-apartheid lyrics to energise the 1970s to 1980s. "Who owns the land, who owns the land?

    "We want to know who owns Papa's land," crooned Sonny Okosuns. Majek Fashek, the reggae man replied: "Now, now, now, Margaret Thatcher, free Mandela!" Victor Eshiet of The Mandators screamed: "Truth is our right, Jah is our might, we must free South Africa."

    Everywhere you turned in the Nigeria of those heady decades, freedom for black South Africans was the dominant national agenda.

    Black South Africans, including President Thabo Mbeki, found warmth, hospitality, and friendship during their years of exile in Nigeria. Many black South Africans attended Nigerian universities on Nigerian scholarships.

    When it became clear that South African whites, like their European and American kinsmen, were determined to make peaceful change impossible and make violent change inevitable, Nigerians donated money to the armed struggle.

    Personally, I recall donating money during special anti-apartheid fundraisers as a high school student in Nigeria.

    view of this, the Nigerians I met in South Africa had only two words to describe the attitude of black South Africans to them: collective amnesia.

    Prejudice has been the force majeure of so much of human history. Our pantheon of small-minded hate is formidable: Christian prejudice manufactured the unbeliever; Islamic prejudice manufactured the infidel; hetero****** prejudice manufactured the faggot; patriarchal prejudice manufactured the hysteric; European prejudice Truth is our right, Jah is our might, we must free South Africa manufactured the native; American prejudice manufactured the n****r; German prejudice manufactured the Jew; Israeli prejudice manufactured the Araboushim; Afrikaner prejudice manufactured the k****r.

    Not to be outdone, black South Africa has manufactured the ma-kwerekwere as her unique post-apartheid contribution to this gory pantheon.

    The joy of your instant-mix coffee or your instant-mix powdered milk is the considerable labour and hassle it saves you.

    Just pour water, add sugar to taste, and your drink is ready. The makwere-kwere is black South Africa's instant-mix k****r, very easily produced with minimum labour.

    Pius Adesanmi is Associate Professor of English and director, Project on New African Literatures (www.projectponal.com) at Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada.

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    R/cst,

    Then please explain to me just how exactly did one of the most prosperous of the world leading nations, get to where it is today??!!??

    Millions dying of AIDS, 50% unemployment, 55,000 murders a year, politicians that stack up fairly nicely with the rest of the continent in terms of corruption...

    But, hey, the future looks bright....oh wait...

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    I think there is some miscommunication here. Just be a bit clearer re your first post, who are you blaming?

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    I was replying to the bit about SA been the racist capital of the world.

    As for the rest of your statement, yes we do have a lot of problems but they are not insurmountable and they can be solved.

    I don't have the answers but I am prepared to work and fight for a better South Africa, it is my country and my home.

    Why dont you come vist and see what it is really like here.

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    I live in Belgrade, and I did indeed visit South Africa, not that long ago.

    What I saw was mostly turns that the nation had taken for the worse...

    Most blacks I talked to blamed the Aperthid for all of their problems, even if they were not even born during that time...


    The friends I have down there are all thinking about moving.. one of them just bought an apartment here in Belgrade, while the rest are most likely moving to Australia.

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    I believe that the same thing that happened in Zimbabwe will eventually transpire in South Africa...

    Just look at the numbers of illegal immigrants you guys are getting from Zimbabwe, and Namibia, and other nations..Those people are not gonna find jobs, and nobody is going to make them leave...

    As much as I hate to say it, South Africa will someday turn into your typical failed African state...

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    TopolA,

    I agree with a couple of the things you mention. If you look at the archives you'll see there are many threads about South Africa. But we normally base them on articles or documentaries, not crazy white guys in Youtube videos - no offence.

    As you might realize, the situation regaring the European population here is unique. Many will not leave this country, and this country will for the forseeable future still be of great strategic importance to the West due to our mineral wealth and the Cape Route.

    This country will not turn into Zimbabwe. It might be heading into that direction, but the 4 million+ whites who remain, along with the moderate coloureds, Indians, and blacks, and international parties with interests here, will not let that happen. Even if violence is necessary.

    As PW Botha said: "Because he [The Afrikaner] had to fight for his survival he was inclined to isolate himself in such a way that he could maintain his own way of life."

    This is what we are doing today. While the majority are burning tires as we speak, petrol-bombing mayors' houses, and striking every chance they get, the Afrikaner children are being taught Western values and work-ethic at home. Today, the borders just aren't visible anymore.

    "I learnt that in the African Boer we have one of the most intellectually virile and dominant races the world has seen; a people who beneath a calm and almost stolid surface hide the intensest passions and the most indomitable resolutions."
    - Olive Schreiner

    Take a look at the history of the Afrikaner. He is an extremely patient people. The English took the Cape in 1795 from the Dutch, held on until 1803, then bought it again in 1806. Yet, the Boers only left the Cape in the 1830's, without starting a conflict.

    They knowingly left the safety of the Cape and went into the middle of nowhere - just to be left alone! Then, only after many decades in 1880 did we have our first War of Independence. Then, after much harrassment, The Boer War, or 2nd War of Independence, only started in 1898.

    So, what I'm getting at is that we will rather move, stay indoors; do anything to avoid conflict. But when we have to, we do it like no other. While the white population aren't being lined up on the street and executed, we will be patient. We are sad over the unnecessary bloodshed, but we know that our farmers aren't the only people suffering in this country.

    I'm still enjoying a fairly comfortable Western lifestyle. But Africa is slowly getting closer, inch by inch.

    (The term Afrikaner is not used in the same sense as in 1948. In today's terms it includes both the Afrikaans and English-speaking white population, and in the broader sense every other non-European South Africans who represent Western values, or moderate thoughts like the Zulu IFP. It's just convenient to use this term. But I will not exclude my other friends, you are all included - you know who you are!)

    Rudolph

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    Rudolph,

    I'm Serbian, and trust me my friend, both of our people went through some tough times..

    I respect the Afrikaner tradition and history, and I'm personally enraged every time I see some crap go down by the new South African government...

    I guess what I'm trying to say is that, unless the Afrikaner people rise up, they will be totally suppressed, and eventually forced to leave THEIR country...

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    On this subject, I'm somewhere on a cd a very interesting video showing Nelson Mandela at a burial ceremony singing a beautiful song in a local language simply called........ "kill the whites".

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    Quote Originally Posted by TopolA View Post
    I believe that the same thing that happened in Zimbabwe will eventually transpire in South Africa...

    Just look at the numbers of illegal immigrants you guys are getting from Zimbabwe, and Namibia, and other nations..Those people are not gonna find jobs, and nobody is going to make them leave...

    As much as I hate to say it, South Africa will someday turn into your typical failed African state...
    1. I don't think people are going to let South Africa become Zimbabwe. I agree with Rudolph on this one.

    2. You're right about the number of Zimbabweans. You might also want to mention the Mozambiquans.

    3. Since when were there a ton of Namibians coming to South Africa? Where'd you hear that? That is news to me.

    Can anyone else elaborate on that alleged trend? Last I checked Namibia and Botswana were, economically and in terms of average living standards, doing about as well as SA(Botswana being among the best in Africa) and the only real issues about illegal immigration pertaining to Namibia had to do with controlling their border with Angola.

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    Off-topic:

    Botswana and Mauritius are the two best-run African governments today. Then again, Botswana was only a Crown Colony, and never had a war of liberation supported by Russians/Cubans/East-Germans. And they stayed neutral during apartheid, even detaining ANC terrorists they caught, and SA trained their police and army. They offer free schooling, and free tertiary education, and are focusing on getting more people into university, to enlarge the GDP portion made up from professional services, realizing that their diamond supply won't last forever. On the other hand their infrastructure is not perfect, most of the country-side can't be farmed due to lack of water pipes, and unemployment is at around 40%. But they are relatively crime and gun-free, and I've heard nothing about corruption or ethnic cleansing. There are thousands of Afrikaner families living there in peace.

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    It's going to take Africa a long time to become a nice place with good prosperity, jobs, education and other things us in developed nations take for granted. But it will get there.

    It's got a very good base to work from.

    Once the older generation of the ANC leave office and the new younger generation comes in we will may end up seeing a white person become president again. At the moment the ANC has a propoganda tool in that the current generation faught against the whites.

    Once this propoganda tool fades South Africa will become a prosperous and peacefull nation again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rudolph View Post
    Off-topic:

    Botswana and Mauritius are the two best-run African governments today. Then again, Botswana was only a Crown Colony, and never had a war of liberation supported by Russians/Cubans/East-Germans. And they stayed neutral during apartheid, even detaining ANC terrorists they caught, and SA trained their police and army. They offer free schooling, and free tertiary education, and are focusing on getting more people into university, to enlarge the GDP portion made up from professional services, realizing that their diamond supply won't last forever. On the other hand their infrastructure is not perfect, most of the country-side can't be farmed due to lack of water pipes, and unemployment is at around 40%. But they are relatively crime and gun-free, and I've heard nothing about corruption or ethnic cleansing. There are thousands of Afrikaner families living there in peace.
    Best run government, still pulling 40% unemployment...

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