Reply With QuoteVery interesting read.
Incarceration rate lower for immigrants
Source:http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...type=printableStudy: Incarceration rate lower for immigrants
Jill Tucker, Chronicle Staff Writer
Tuesday, February 26, 2008
Immigrants in California are far less likely to land in prison than their U.S.-born counterparts, a finding that defies the perception that immigration and crime are connected, according to a study released Monday.
Foreign-born residents make up 35 percent of the state's overall population, but only 17 percent of the adult prison population, according to the Public Policy Institute of California, which conducted the research.
Noncitizen men from Mexico between the ages of 18 and 40, which the study indicated were more likely to be in the country illegally, were eight times less likely to be in a "correctional setting," the study found.
The study did not address the visa status of those included among the foreign-born, which would include citizens and noncitizens, including those in the country legally and illegally.
Nonetheless, these results have implications for the current debates over immigration policy, said Kristin Butcher, co-author of the report.
"Our research indicates that limiting immigration, requiring higher educational levels to obtain visas or spending more money to increase penalties against criminal immigrants will have little impact on public safety," Butcher said in a statement.
While immigrants often have lower levels of education and higher poverty rates, which are normally associated with higher crimes rates, other factors are probably contributing to the underrepresentation among the foreign-born in state prisons.
Current immigration laws, for example, screen legal immigrants for criminal activity. Also, all noncitizens - including those in the country legally - face deportation for crimes that carry a prison sentence of a year or more.
And those here illegally have incentive to avoid contact with the law, which could lead to detection of their immigration status.
The study acknowledged several factors that could affect the incarceration rates among foreign- and U.S.-born residents, including the possibility that one group might receive more lenient treatment within the criminal justice system or have greater resources to mount a defense.
Also, the deportation of foreign-born criminals also could affect the rates, the study said.
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To see the complete Public Policy Institute report, www.ppic.org
Very interesting read.
Yes there are more US born in a "correctional setting" than immigrants. Because one they are deported or skip bail, two they are already breaking the law and avoid bringing the heat on and lay low. Fantastic, excellent read, top notch spin.Current immigration laws, for example, screen legal immigrants for criminal activity. Also, all noncitizens - including those in the country legally - face deportation for crimes that carry a prison sentence of a year or more.
And those here illegally have incentive to avoid contact with the law, which could lead to detection of their immigration status.
Shocker, I think some of you have some misconception of how things actually work when it comes to non-US citizens getting arrested and charged with a crime, so let me clear up a few things. First off non-US citizens who are convicted of felonies (crimes that carry more than a one year sentence) will be deported to there home county, but not until AFTER they serve their sentence. There are some exceptions (say they’re wanted in another country for a more serious crime, they face death in their home country, or in some very rare cases where they cut a deal to serve their sentence in their home country).
As far as jumping bail goes, if they get charged with a felony, and are not legal residents, or the judge thinks they’ll flee to their home country, they’re not going to get bail. The one’s that usually jump bail are the guys that get picked up for misdemeanor charges, or get stopped for being here illegally. They don’t want to go to jail, or get deported so they run.
Lastly, most immigrants are here legally so they won't fall into the "law breaker" category.
I am not the one with misconceptions. The writer of this article has those. I formed my post based on what is in the article. It is spun to show how bad and criminal those darn US born people are. Then frame those who are from other lands as better people to have around statistically based on this study. That is the underlying agenda here. When in fact humans in general are criminal in equal proportions. With blacks and minorities making up the larger part of the prison population. Strange how SFgate ignored that just to paint their illegal immigrant politics onto this issue.
Actually I had a different take on the article, and it does point out that there are several reason as to why immigrants may have a lower incarceration rate.Originally Posted by shocker1
Illegals other than committing immigration violations, are likely to be keeping themselves on the lowdown for obvious reasons. Illegal immigrants are tolerated, people who commit crimes are not.
I just want the people who commited crimes out of here, I'm not worried about the other ones who are working and living their lives.
While its fashionable to think that illegals are the harbingers of criminality, most of them are just working for 2 bucks an hour and keeping their heads down.
I never think that illegal immigrants are all criminals. I'm just saying the ones the commit major crimes like rape, murder, armed robbery, kidnapping or selling drugs.
Last edited by Shadowstorm; 02-27-2008 at 05:38 PM.
The fact that they're here illegally makes them criminals, and subject to deportation. I could care less if someone immigrates here, but I want them to do it legally. It shows they respect the laws of the country they're trying to gain entry into.
Yeah, I support the immigrants to come here legally and not illegally, but nobody has no plans do about the 12 million that are here and I very doubt mass deportation will work, because a lot of people including me don't support it.
High faluting rhetoric is fine from where we are sitting. But if you lived in Mexico, you'd be the first one over the border. I know I would, rather than say, Ive made a moral decision to comply with the United States bizarre immigration laws and spend the rest of my life in poverty and misery.
People dont live long enough to comply with US immigration laws. My father has a greencard. I could apply through him. It would take 15 years for my number to come up, provided either my father or I dont die in the mean time. Its unrealistic to make people wait 15 years. But then again, Im doing my waiting in Australia, which while not as good as california, the standard of living is a lot better than south of the border. Even better still, your government is actively turning a blind eye to illegals, and thus encouraging them to come over. Because they need the cheap labour. If the US government wanted that border shut down, they could do it tomorrow.
Take a trip to Havana and barter a rubber dingy. If you can get your foot in the door dry we will let you right on in. No need to stand in line.
ding-ding-ding-ding!Also, the deportation of foreign-born criminals also could affect the rates, the study said.
We have a winner! I mean, they conduct "the study" and leave out such a well known factor as deportation of foreign criminals to the country of origin, instead citing it as unknown?
I mean, maybe they should pick up newspapers prior to making a study:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...022603705.html
and look, there are numbers:
Now, that's a study - because it has tangible numbers... Not "more" or "less" and it doesn't admit to overlooking the actual information sources!U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement said that in the 12-month period that ended Sept. 30, it placed 164,000 criminals in deportation proceedings, a sharp increase from the 64,000 the agency said it identified and placed in proceedings the year before. The agency estimates that the number will rise to 200,000 this year.
SF Gate publishes all kind of garbage and not sure about this PPIC either
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