I need your help with one T-55a from Bosnia

[TankRed1070]

Hi,
I am going to build a scale model (1:72) of T-55a. I would like to reproduce one vehicle named "Nevesinie" used by Bosnian Serbs in Bosnia. The only problem is that I could not find any other photos of that machine. The only available is here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Vrs_t-55a.jpg
During the examining the photo carfull and browsing troug hundreds of photos from balkan conflicts the follwing questions appears:

1. Whether this wehicle has 3-color camouflage similar to those used in Kosovo?

2. What is painted on the front of the hull and on the mudguard:


If anyone have a better version of mentioned photo ot other photos presenting this specific machine please let me know

Thanks a lot!

[Dark Avenger]

You gonna build the Ace kit, yes?

Here are some interesting links:
http://stef124.tripod.com/t55.htm

http://stef124.tripod.com/kosovo98.htm

http://elektron.tmf.bg.ac.yu/bojan/armor/tanks/t-55a/

[1911-a1]

Might be the same tank

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[TankRed1070]

Hi,
Thanks a lot! I know the sites already.
I see that nobody have better pictures
However, does anybody can share his opinion how this tank was painted? With 3-color camouflage or single color?

I am constructing ACE set. Unfortunately the oryginal T-55a set is unavailable thus I am using OT-55 set. If you are intersting to see asembling here is a reporting:
http://modelwork.pl/viewtopic.php?t=6473
It is in polish but the pictures are self-explained

[TankRed1070]

Hi,

Thanks for those two pictures. One of them I saw before. It could be that it is the same tank if we assume that it was taken earlier: The right mudguard it still there. It could be since my picture was taken in the spring (note flowers on the tree). The only thing is the serbian unity emblem painted red which is not visible on my picture.

Thanks a lot!
From that picture is obvious that the tank si painted in one color: JNA green.

Cheers.

BTW: КОСОВО ЈЕ СРПСКО of course!

[_GDS_]

Look here...

http://www.angelfire.com/pro/bison/72008.html

[Deminer from Sarajevo]

T 55 from Serbian troops in Bosnia.1993 year

[Paya]

1. Whether this wehicle has 3-color camouflage similar to those used in Kosovo?

No, it doesn't. The VRS (Bosnian Serb Army) hardly ever painted camo on their tanks, and when they did it wasn't the same pattern from the Kosovo conflict, which resembled then Yugoslav Army's uniform pattern.

2. What is painted on the front of the hull and on the mudguard

I'm pretty sure thats a Serbian coat of arms on the hull, the same one from the turret. On the mudguard, however, it could be anything from the name of the gunner's girlfriend to the brigade's acronym. It could also be the tank's nickname. Kinda looks like "CTBOP" or loosely translated "The Thing"

[TankRed1070]

Look here...

http://www.angelfire.com/pro/bison/72008.html

Hi,
actually I bought those decals. When my confusion started I contacted them ans I relised that they did it based on those single picture!
Therefore I decided to make a small investigation to improve it of possible.

Thanks!

[TankRed1070]

T 55 from Serbian troops in Bosnia.1993 year

Thanks a lot! I have never seen it before. Very good reference to improve the models.

[TankRed1070]

No, it doesn't. The VRS (Bosnian Serb Army) hardly ever painted camo on their tanks, and when they did it wasn't the same pattern from the Kosovo conflict, which resembled then Yugoslav Army's uniform pattern.

I noticed that the pattern is similar to unifirm. I just wondering whether they maybe use black and brown as well. In fact I have never saw this type of camo on the tanks from Bosnia. However, gyes from Bison Decals sugested that. They was using the same photo as the reference but due to its low quallity is hard to say. For me the turret seems to be in single color. However, the front of the hull and the cannon looks like painted with bloches of brown and black.


I'm pretty sure thats a Serbian coat of arms on the hull, the same one from the turret. On the mudguard, however, it could be anything from the name of the gunner's girlfriend to the brigade's acronym. It could also be the tank's nickname. Kinda looks like "CTBOP" or loosely translated "The Thing"

Well, in my language (I am from Poland) "CTBOP" means also "the beast" or "the monster". Someone suggested also "СРБИЈА"?

Anyway, to solve that we need a better quallity version of that picture.
I am going to browse trough some video records that I found on the net. Maybe something will be there....

Thanks!

[kNikS]

No, it doesn't. The VRS (Bosnian Serb Army) hardly ever painted camo on their tanks, and when they did it wasn't the same pattern from the Kosovo conflict, which resembled then Yugoslav Army's uniform pattern.

Could be debated, it definitely had blotches of black and brown added on 'SMB' base colour, similar to some tanks from VJ brigades in '99.

I'm pretty sure thats a Serbian coat of arms on the hull, the same one from the turret.

Well, I'm pretty sure that it is not Serbian coat of arms, proportions simply doesn't fit.. maybe some chetnik variation or something.

[kNikS]

@ TankRed1070

Sorry, can't help much, but I know that there is (or at least there was) one better picture of 20422 on the internet, black and white but somewhat better resolution.. I'm kicking myself as well coz I didn't save it on hdd...

[TankRed1070]

@ TankRed1070

Sorry, can't help much, but I know that there is (or at least there was) one better picture of 20422 on the internet, black and white but somewhat better resolution.. I'm kicking myself as well coz I didn't save it on hdd...

Well, will be great to have a look on that! I hope that somebody have it on his local archive...

I did some heavy image processing of that only photo and I am now more convinced about 3 colors.

Thanks a lot!

[TankRed1070]

Hi,
I am going back to the subject. The question is:
Does anybody know approx. WHERE and WHEN that picture of NEVESINJE tank was taken?
Any ideas? Suggestions?
Any comments will be appreciated!
Thanks in advance