Pictures of women in the military/police(read the 1st post!!!)

[Nick_Karatzides]

Shoulder to cry on

OR

Soldier to cry on?

[California Joe]

I dig the style. I also think the plain olve drab fatigues work as well as any uniform out there. Only it didn't cost 17 billion dollars in development costs.

[sp2c]

I allways feel a camouflaged uniform (even if it's the funky belgium disco pattern) makes you look just a little bit more threathening and less like a mechanic.

[Kaplanr]

I recently read in an article about army leadership that the Israeli have "functional discipline". and demand no shiny boots or buckles.

It also stated that the IDF has a comparitive high number of commanders die in combat because of their motto "follow me" whereas other armies utilise the "together" principle.

How true would you state those two principles?

...and to keep on topic:

I've never heard it referred to as "functional discipline", but it's as good a term as any. Another reference might be "no BS". In 24 months I think I saluted 5 times, twice when reporting to a new CO in Basic and Advanced, and once to the M"Hat (Brigade commander). Contrary to popular fiction, we did shine boots (sort of ), and shave, but that was really because that's what we're supposed to do. On the other hand, your weapon(s) better be clean, magazines full, linked ammo all in place, radio batteries new and spares in place, etc. If a medic had an expired IV - he ate it, and then we did. It's the classic model of its the unit screwing up, not the individual.

Like Tanks said, once out of basic we were on first name basis with our COs up to deputy battalion commander (Boo-Boo,) but it was never a debating society or a democratic forum; an order is an order. On the other hand, the IDF is less likely or less able to cover up a poor commander. THere's no WPPA (West Point Protedtive Assn.) to shield the truly incompetent. If there's a problem because a CO is bad, he's usually not going to make it past Captain.

As to the "follow me" ethos and casualties, it's a true statement. As an example, virtually the entire officer cadre of the Barak Brigade was killed on the Golan in 1973 because they're up in their hatches. I've been reading Dick Couch's books on SEAL training, and in one of them a SEAL instructor points out the Entebbe raid as an example of focusing on the mission. His point was, no one stopped to assist Col. Netanyahu until the airport terminal was secure. IMHO, one of the strengths of the IDF is that almost the entire officer cadre comes throught the ranks, there are no service academies, no professional officer corps. I can't imagine the IDF with one.

As a reservist, at least in my limited experiences, competency was everything, both up and down the command ladder. Your rank meant nothing if your knowledge and leadership ability wasn't commensurate to the needs of the unit.

[MG 3]

I allways feel a camouflaged uniform (even if it's the funky belgium disco pattern) makes you look just a little bit more threathening and less like a mechanic.

X2. Puts the D31t4 in the soldier.

[MG 3]

Not exactly - we do demand shiny boots(occasionally), but in general, yes, this is the guiding philosophy. This project on the various aspects of the service: like, for example, after you finish the basic and advanced training there are virtually no formal way of addressing your ..................

I've never heard it referred to as "functional discipline", but it's as good a term as any. Another reference might be "no BS". In 24 months I think I saluted 5 times, twice when reporting to a new CO in Basic and Advanced, and once to the M"Hat (Brigade commander). Contrary to popular fiction, we did shine boots (sort of ), and shave, but that was really .......................

Some very interesting info right there. Some things are very different from what I have seen in militaries all over the world and espicially mine but where it counts its all the same.

Thanks for the valuable input guys.

[bogdan45]

Ukraine

[kayaker]

I hope I answered your questions.

I enjoyed readin your post. Thanks for the elaborate answer tanker

EDIT: and also you Kaplanr

[Jocker_89]

[SkyUS]

^Are those the new Police uniforms?

[vladimir008]

[holyfetzer]

There are surely decades between these two pictures but the belt ist still the same

[vladimir008]

[Switek]

^Are those the new Police uniforms?

I'm not sure... or me another set o proposal.

[Nick_Karatzides]