Reply With QuoteIn truth, who among us hasn't felt the same way at one time or another?He started to resent his ********s...
No *** please – we’re eunuchs
No *** please – we’re eunuchs
[Published: Tuesday 3, April 2007 - 16:09]
By Julia Stuart
What does it take for a healthy man to choose to have his ********s removed? Roger Davies is one of a surprising number who have found salvation in castration.
Like many sensitive teenagers, Roger Davies felt different from his peers. He wasn’t into sport and abhorred the aggression he saw in other boys. When, at the age of 22, he still hadn’t grown out of his sense of isolation, he took radical action: he travelled to America and underwent castration.
“I’m really happy with who I am now,” says the 25-year-old cleaner and caterer from Southport. “I don’t have any desire to be accepted as a woman or change genders. I just didn’t like my masculinity.”
Roger is not the only British eunuch. He knows around a dozen other men who have also had the operation, and estimates that there are hundreds of others in the UK. According to a Channel 4 documentary to be shown tonight, every year thousands of men across Europe and the US seek out castration.
Last month three men in America who were accused of operating what police described as a sadomasochistic dungeon – where activities included castrations – were sentenced to more than 20 years in prison. But Roger wasn’t seeking a ****** thrill. Quite the opposite. He wanted to dampen down the normal ****** urges that started in puberty. He says he always stood out for being “soft-hearted” and was repeatedly bullied. He was also different in another way – he has never been able to bring himself to stand up while urinating. “It doesn’t feel right. I did try when I first started at primary school, but I couldn’t,” he admits.
He started to resent his ********s, which he refers to as “that part of my body”. “I didn’t like the way it made me feel. It was-n’t me and the feeling escalated with puberty. I really hated the urges to have ***. I didn’t like the idea of going bald or having facial hair either.”
His feelings about his ******ity are ambivalent. “I have cross-dressed a couple of times, but I think gender is a lot more complex than a bipolar idea that society would prescribe. I don’t like to think of myself as a guy and I don’t like to think of myself as a girl either.”
At 16 he discovered an online eunuch community, and learnt of an operation to remove his ********s. A year later, he went to see his GP. “I said I didn’t like that part of my body and I wanted to have it taken away. He said it was a job for a psychiatrist’s couch, not for a surgeon’s table. He implied that I was crazy, and it was really quite hurtful. He probably saw me as a raving lunatic.”
A bilateral orchidectomy [removal of the ********s] is only performed on the NHS for strict medical reasons – cancer (testicular and prostate) and some cases of gender reassignment, which is a recognised medical disorder. Private doctors are governed by the same rules. According to Professor Mayur Lakhani, chairman of the Royal College of General Practitioners, anyone wanting to have their ********s removed for psychological reasons such as Roger’s would automatically be turned down. “We would not support that request because there is no medical indication for it. We must resist this.”
Roger was referred to a psychiatrist, who asked him whether he was hearing voices urging him to do things. He was then referred to a counsellor for behavioural therapy as he was self-harming, much to the alarm of his parents. As soon as the therapy had finished, he started maiming himself again.
Roger eventually found an American doctor, Murray Kim-mel in Philadelphia, who was prepared to do the operation. “He sees a lot of people from our community because he doesn’t require any referral from a psychiatrist,” he says.
Roger’s parents were strongly opposed to him undergoing the procedure. “Things were difficult. They tried to persuade me in any way they could not to go.” But he had the support of his then girlfriend, whom he had met through the online eunuch community. He saved for the £2,000 operation from his Tesco salary, and took out an overdraft.
Before the operation he had a half-hour consultation with the surgeon about why he wanted to be castrated. “At the time I didn’t know why I wanted to have it done,” Roger admits. “I just knew I wanted it. He wanted to make sure that it was the right decision to make. I had to sign a waiver so that I couldn’t sue him for any kind of negligence. He gave me all the opportunities to back out of it.”
The operation took about 40 minutes under local anaesthetic. An incision was made in the centre of the scrotum, the ********s were removed and the incision was sewn up again.
So what effect has it had? “It makes me calmer,” says Roger. “It takes away a lot of the feelings that weren’t me – the ****** urges and things. I’ve become really, really happy with who I am and feel much more comfortable in this body. I feel much more like me.”
He has had a mixed reaction from other people. “All my close friends have been nice about it. I have relationship problems with my parents. From my point of view it does put a strain on the relationship, but we’re working through it.” Indeed, Roger breaks down when he talks about his parents on the Channel 4 documentary. “I’m still alone,” he says. “Castration has-n’t changed anything.”
Currently single, he hopes to one day get married. He recog-nises there will be a number of hurdles to get over. “I think a lot of women will probably want to have children. I guess it’s going to be a difficult one because you can’t wait until a couple of years into the marriage to tell someone, but you can’t really tell someone on the first meeting in case you put them off. The right person probably will accept me for me and it shouldn’t be an issue.” Equally, he may settle down with a man. “I don’t mind if I’m with a guy or a girl, it’s not a problem. I think when I meet the right person I’ll know. I don’t have regrets about the operation, but I do wonder if things could have been different if I had been born a really, really hetero****** guy. Life could have been so much easier.”
The documentary also follows Zachary Arnold, 20, from Washington, who had the operation last October. He proudly shows the results to the camera. “I knew it would be the best option for me,” he says. “I had always felt that there was something wrong with the way that I was put together. I wanted to alleviate a certain portion of that. I never felt that [my ********s] were meant to be there. I always felt they were a distraction or unwanted baggage. My mind was always on that portion of my body. I felt that was a defining portion of my body which made me characteristically male. I was never satisfied with that. I never wanted to fit into the category. The surgery has helped me become more of the person I wanted to be. I’m comfortable with my body.”
How would he describe his ******ity? “I consider myself open to all possibilities. For a while I considered myself more a****** or more bi******. I’m definitely not attracted to only one gender.”
He slipped into depression immediately after the operation, but now thinks it is the best thing he has ever done. While his *** drive is reduced, he says his *** life has greatly improved. “I’m a lot happier now. I’m a much more outgoing person. I’m also much calmer. I still have a very pleasurable ****** experience just with myself. It’s more so.”
‘Eunuchs’ is on Channel 4 tonight at 10pm
Talking balls: castrati down the ages
Castratos – Italian male singers whose high voices had been preserved since boyhood via castration – were much in demand for male and female roles in 17th- and 18th-century operas. To ease the pain of severing the spermatic duct to the testis, “surgeons” often drugged the pre-pubescent boys with opium and had them soak in a bath of warm milk.
First noticed by Hippocrates, in 1995 researchers at Duke University of North Carolina confirmed that castration was the only permanent solution to male hair loss.
Sun Yaoting (1902–1996) was the last imperial eunuch of Chinese history.
In the past, eunuchs enjoyed the patronage of Hindu kings in whose courts they would sing and dance to ward off evil spirits. Today they play on the deep superstitions of Indian families, threatening the families of male new-borns and brides with the “Evil Eye”. Most of India’s 800,000 eunuchs are castrated as children to make them appear more like females.
Chemical treatment for *** offenders has already been used successfully in Sweden, Denmark, Germany and the United States.
Offenders are given regular injections of leuproreline, a prostate cancer drug, or Depo-Provera, which act as a temporary castration by reducing testosterone levels.
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/health/article2415448.ece
Yes I know it is old.... but it is interesting... to say the least.
In truth, who among us hasn't felt the same way at one time or another?He started to resent his ********s...
Still better than a *** change in my books.
Well, if you ask me I would say that I love my ********s. I yam what I yam!Originally Posted by 2Sheds_Jackson
Amen to that. These ****ers are like stinky door knockers. But at times they are rather quite handy.
whats wrong with people having a *** change?
Everything.
If mother nature made you like that it's because you were MEANT to be like that. But thanks to Western 21st century PC, everything is alright and the state might even financially help you out because there could be damage to your poor self esteem.
In other words. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
1: its a lie, 2: its misleading, 3: its gross, 4: ITS A TRAP !
But really these people are sick and allowing them what is called a *** change(but what really isnt) should be seen as abusive as those addicted to plastic surgery.
The so called 'pregnant man' showed how much of a farce it all is. She is legally seen as a man but she can still have babies.
I dont know where you were born but where im from its a scientific fact that men cant carry a baby for 9 months.
Yeah but thats the problem, these people are broken. Psychologically speaking. Its like people trying to look like cats or something through plastic surgery.
Its not because they can afford it that it should take place. These people need therapy not having their *****es cut in half.
And before doing the big overhaul there might be smaller repairs possible
So if a child is born blind or deaf because nature MEANT for them to be like that does that mean nothing should be done to currect it. Besides their choices don't effect anyone but them. They could very well be insane but life, liberty and the persuit of happiness is not limited to the mentally sane.
You are a retardo grande.
Are you a Scientologist, or are you just stupid ?
OI OI OI.
Yeah but they were born supposed to be able to see or hear. I doubt that tran******s are born steril. See my point is they are valid as men but convinced themselves that they are women(or the other way around).
Because the truth is this, if you're a man you're a man. It has nothing to do with the fact that people are born mentally retarded or blind.
I honestly doubt it, i bet i could go on google and look for experiences where straight men were deceived by tran******s. I dont know for you but that would be a traumatic experience for me.
Its not about liberty its about common sense. South Park made an excellent episode about this subject. In said episode Kyle's dad want to become a dolphin while Kyle himself want to become black.
Its not because you can that you should. Nothing to do with blindness, happiness or liberty. Its just plain stupidity. Its science pushed to its limits and its wrong.
If a child is born blind or deaf nature obviously made a mistake but if nature gave you all the right stuff and it works right too why would you cut it off? Cuz you can't figure out how to use it?The dudes brain is f^cked up, is all.
"If life hands you a couple of Lemons, make Lemonade"
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