Obama what ifs

[Dasein]

1. We did hear it, there is an audio clip of the whole thing.

Fair enough. So, what about my interpretation was incorrect.

2. So, you have no problem with a racist white church as long as it doesnt take up 100% of the preeching time? How do we even know how much of that stuff is part of the sermons? I'm just amazed with your nuience when it comes to racist of a darker complexion. Something tells me you werent so diplomatic about Bush's speeches or things said by his administration.

I do not think a 20 year ministry can be condensed into a few soundbites, no.

As for the Bush administration, he speaks for the country, and makes decisions which impact me, regardless of my support for him. Thus, I hold him to a far higher standard than I would a pastor preaching in his own church.

3. His speech was a response to questions about his church. In that speech, he chose to support his pastor and throw his white grand mother under the bus as a "typical white racist". What you dont seem to see is that his attitude about his own grandmother, shows that hes got his own racist perceptions about people he obviously doesnt understand.

He did nothing of the sort. He said that both his grandmother, a white woman, and Rev. Wright a black preacher has made offensive statements, and he could disown neither. To me, this says that he values family and friendship more than political opportunism, which is something we do not see often these days. Perhaps it will hurt him, but if it does, it speaks volumes about the problems facing this country.

You can keep deluding yourself if you want, but mark my words he will get destroyed in the general election with this stuff.

If he does, we get the government we deserve. If Obama wins, we move this country in the right direction. If he loses, we move closer to collapse, and that suits me just fine. Every power falls at some point, and if we decide our time is now, so be it. We've got no one to blame but ourselves.

[11bhooah]

Dasein:

1. None of us can "truly" say what Obama's guns and religion comments were meant to imply. You can say it was to encourage change, and express the helplessness of people who use them as a distraction. I say it expresses a negative undertone about both subjects by someone who is far left, and figured he was appeasing his crowd. If the majority of people were putting a positive spin on his comments. Or the country leaned more towards the idea that occupying your time with guns and religion were a bad idea. I'm sure Obama's campaign would be saying his comments were stated to bring attention to the issues of guns and religion. I just don't take Obama's words at face value, I passed on that cup of koolaid.

2. The ACLU has defended people of the Christian faith. However 10 fold they end up in court against it. So I should have been a little more clear about that comment.

3. It's almost ridiculous (in my opinion ) to think that you could spend so much time in a church, and outside of church with a pastor who you didn't share the same values with. There is no denying Rev. wright is anti American. Watch his sermons posted by his own church. The only clip I have seen that is misleading is the "American's chickens are coming home to roost". He was talking about a quote by Ambassador Edward Peck. However Mr. Peck didn't not go into the entire rant Rev. wright did. Rev. Wright's portrayal by the media is spot on from what I have seen.

4. The only beatitudes I know of are the 8. So if that's what your referring to then yes and better then most countries. Especially 4, 5, 7 and 8. Remember this country was founded on Christian faith and beliefs. If you forget that just look at the back side of your money . We might not be perfect, but we are the best.

Like I said in the beginning, just my two cents.

[el cid]

I once asked myself this question after hearing it somewhere, "would you rather live during the rise of an empire or its decline?" The only reply I could come up with was "we are IN the decline"
Point I'm trying to make is simple... he will more than likely weaken the country, but it does not matter anyways since the ship has already begun to sink.

Enjoy the ride, and I hope Rose won't let go of Jack this time!

[Will938]

This is the claim all right-wingers have against all Democrats. It hasn't happened yet, even at times when they controlled both houses and the executive. Besides there are worse things that could happen to America than ending up like Denmark or Sweden, or God forbid, Australia.

All this 'redistribution of wealth' scaremongering is as tired as the last election and the one before that.

What's your position, that it's scaremongering because you don't think you've seen it implemented yet? When candidates are this vocal about their intentions I don't blow it off and say it they wouldn't dare because dems haven't been successful before. Obama has said, without a doubt, that we need to take money from the rich and redistribute it to the poor. Without a doubt wants to increase taxes on the wealthy (up 4% in the highest tax bracket I believe). Look at social programs like this big push universal healthcare, you think that is merely rightwingers scaremongering? I guess you're right, it must be since there's no way in hell they could actually afford to implement this successfully.

[Lee]

Of course its only natural that racial preference is going to play a part in peoples decision as to who they are going to vote for. Blacks always vote for one of their race and that goes for black leaders also. Jesse Jackson set of a storm when he backed an independent black candidate in a Chicago election over a white democrat. Jackson being a democrat simply rejected his party because of his racial preference. That may sound like a traitorous thing to do but really it was only natural. Blood is thicker than some temporary political party. Being white I would vote for a candidate that was out to promote white rights if there was such a candidate. But things being as they are in the U.S. if a white candidate simply stated that he(or she) was out for the rights of whites it would be the end of his or her political career immediately based on the accusation of racism. Whites are not allowed a natural reaction when it comes to race. But what will be interesting is to see how Obama does with black voters in Penn. If he gets the overwhelming support of black voters after all that racial stuff coming out of his church then its a bad sing. My guess is that he will lose some of his black support.

[Alexandr]

Isn't Obama member of CFR,as Hillary and McCain? =)
What "personal desicions" are you talkin about?

[darth_renn]

Many White people will vote for him because they think that will make them look like they are not racist and that they are good people for it.

Which in turn is racist. Tryng to prove you are not a racist proves you are, or all you can see is the color of peoples skin.

[darth_renn]

If he does, we get the government we deserve. If Obama wins, we move this country in the right direction. If he loses, we move closer to collapse, and that suits me just fine. Every power falls at some point, and if we decide our time is now, so be it. We've got no one to blame but ourselves.

This statement is troubling and dare I say it, anti-american. Any resposible member of society should want to see their country improve and grow according to their ideals. If your values are not popular or not in the majority, try to convince others around you and in your community why your values are important. It is irresponsible to "throw in the towel" when you don't get your own way. There will always be another election. Be constructive instead of destructive. Remember the country will be governed in the congress and not by His Majesty Obama.