Handgun procurement

[Geezah]

Geezah, yeah I'm on he Sig board. Ruslanb76 is my tag over there. Don't like Glocks personally. My father owns three and they are nice guns just not for me. I got to shoot some CZ's and really was impressed with them. Seraphim, I would love to get a SP-01 but they are a little hard to come by and I can get a P-01 for $450 new in box from my local guy. Just need to free up the funds. The Sig 239 is still for sale. Theres a thread on Sig forum on it. Thanks for the advice everyone. It's funny how guns are like cars or women, when you like one it's almost impossible to change ones mind.

If you have no joy on the Sig forum(it looks likeek you have had a few bites), you might want to try the EE board on AR15.Com.
I posted my STAG ARMS build on their yesterday and I think I've already got it sold.
I go by Geezah over on AR15.Com and Geezer on the Sig Forum.

Anyway, pictures are a must for any sale, people like to see what they may be buying.

[uglybaby]

So it looks as though the 239 is sold. Can get the CZpo1 from my local dealer for $450 which leaves me some money for getting extra high caps or should I invest in proper night sites? I'm tinkering with the idea of getting a SP01 if my dealer can get it about 50 bucks more than the p01 but they are hard to get a hold of aren't they? Only small releases to the states. Anyways heres a cool video I found of the SP01 in action. I hate the video game sound effects for the gunshots and the rock music is kinda gay but still cool none the less. Gotta love the bayonet mount!
http://www.czub.cz/videospot3.php

[Icarus1]

Hi guys, this goes to all you gun experts.

I wanted to know what I should buy of these two guns. Price is not a question, only performance, handling, reliability etc.

Heckler&Koch USP Tactical .45 or SOCOM Mk23?

What are advantages, what would you prefer. This is not about airsoft!

[Storm_Trooper]

Go for a SOCOM, the tactical is good but it is still a USP, the Mk 23 is another world!!!

[OMON]

Walther P99 !

and if i had to choose between USP T.45 or a SOCOM, then SOCOM

[Icarus1]

Question is not about P99 or other guns, just SOCOM or USP Tactical .45

And please post also why you would chose one of the above mentioned guns. I am working with guns, so let me know exact facts and experiences.

[OMON]

USP Tactical .45

Caliber
.45 ACP

Capacity
12

Length
8.64

Width
1.26

Sight Radius
6.34

Barrel Length
5.09

Weight
1.90lb

[JoaMei]

USP Tactical .45

Caliber
.45 ACP

Capacity
12

Length
8.64

Width
1.26

Sight Radius
6.34

Barrel Length
5.09

Weight
1.90lb

Well, If you dont have to carry it around pick the SOCOM. Its really heavy and bulky, but more precise.

[Seraphim]

If money is no option then get the MARK 23...it is also being discontinued. The SOCOM MK23 is the military version.

[maw]

practical or safe queen?

if safe queen then 23.

if practical then usp tactical hands down. with the o-ring in the barrel like the 23 and the nice trigger, the usp is no less accurate then the 23, but more managable (a lot of people joke about how the 23 is a crew served weapon).

fwiw, if it were my money, i'd get a usp compact .45, get an aftermarket o-ring threaded barrel (ccfa, jarvis?) and get some high profile night sights. this was the path some of the military 23 users were going to go but then the hk .45 project came out and put procurement on hold.

also, keep in mind that there are only two silencers that can be used on the 23 without voiding the warranty, the kac and the b&t (the ccfa is a clone of the b&t), for example, the first generation awc nexus causes the frame to develop stress cracks. i'm not singling out the nexus can, this just happens to be a big deal with the 23. the kac can is crap (imho). the usp .45 tactical and .45 compact give you more freedom of choice when it comes to cans. also the thread on the barrel on the 23 is backwards so it'll definately need a dedicated can which kinda sucks.

[Durandal]

Hi guys, this goes to all you gun experts.

I wanted to know what I should buy of these two guns. Price is not a question, only performance, handling, reliability etc.

Heckler&Koch USP Tactical .45 or SOCOM Mk23?

What are advantages, what would you prefer. This is not about airsoft!

Having shot both, I'd have to ask what your purpose is for these pistols.

The Mk 23 is a freaking laser, but its a massive frame and heavy.

The .45 USP is lighter. It is accurate, don't get me wrong, but I shot quite well with the Mk 23 at 100 yards.

[TacoDelRio]

The tactical is a bit shorter and lighter. he Mk23 is quite the large handgun, but if you want to shoot like Durandal says, then it may be a better gun.

I'd personally go with the Tactical. It has most everything the Mk23 has, minus a seperate decocker. Both have sights high enough to "see" over a sound suppressor.

Good luck and save your pennies!

[Icarus1]

Having shot both, I'd have to ask what your purpose is for these pistols.

The Mk 23 is a freaking laser, but its a massive frame and heavy.

The .45 USP is lighter. It is accurate, don't get me wrong, but I shot quite well with the Mk 23 at 100 yards.

Just buy one to shoot them on the range, i work with other kinds of guns. I ask you pros because I don't want to buy one and realize afterwards that the other would be better.

[ZaakM433]

bottom line - mk 23 is the best as far as range and accuracy goes. Its huge though, and size is often quite important (or u would just get a rifle).

hk usp tac will be most of the benefits of the mk 23 in a smaller package...

[Roaming East]

The benefits of the 23 over the tactical are such that you'd be better served by a carbine. They are both equal in terms of applicable use. the extra accuracy from the 23 is negligible for practical reasons. If the 23 came with a detachable stock id think the world of it.