You may find a glock 19 or 26 frame and parts at a cheap price then add this
http://www.advantagearms.com/conversion_kit.html
You do realize that the police do not prevent crime, they can only respond to it.Originally Posted by Split-50
So in your opinion only special forces should consider a weapon for self defense and that anyone defending themselves will get killed with their own firearm.
What a joke!
Another joke, do you even own a firearm?
Guns are combat equalizers - how does your cliche statement apply in the Real World? Is it backed up by real statistics? I mean, come on - 2 odd million defensive uses of a firearm each year to save a life against a total the firearm caused homicides in less than 10 thousand...
What is more likely?
Is a .38 special a consideration at all? You could easily find a .38 Taurus for the price in your range and defensive loads are a lot easier to cater to the task...
"Friends do not let friends carry mouse guns." -Mas Ayoob
Glock 19, P2000, etc. , possibly a single stack in 9 Para for the lady, S&W 3913, Kahr, P239, something along these lines.
^ exactly.......to stuka and indiana jones.....if the couple is in good shape I say still go with a revovlver and have it loaded with speer gold dot 135 +p
How do you figure that? I own many firearms and carry one on a daily basis but I guess I'm a dead man walking since I'm not OMFG Delta!!11!.
Go look up Defense. All of what you listed above are deterrents and nothing more, If someone wants in they are going to get in no matter how good your security system is.Home Defense: Deadbolt locks on the door, medical alert button/necklace(cause you can use it to call the cops too), perimeter lighting of the house curtilage, bedside cell telephone pre programmed for local police and or 911,
Hispeed, It's not a "pretty picture" no matter how you look at it. It does not matter whether the would be victim is 19 or 70, male or female. Ask yourself this, Hispeed, would you want your loved one to be left defenseless sitting in a closet waiting for the police to show up? Or would you rather they have a means of self defense while sitting in that closet?
My friends grandmother that lives alone and is in her eighties shot an intruder with a 12ga single shot shotgun. The police later found out the intruder was armed and had already been in jail for other violent offenses but oh yeah, thats right, she was the girlfriend of a Seals brothers uncles cousin so that is why she could defend herself and live to tell about it.
Last edited by D-gin; 10-17-2007 at 08:19 PM. Reason: Sorry to go off topic D3ath.
Egads has Hand gun Control Inc Invaded our oasis of Land of endless firearms.
Hispeed and Split a person skills is a issue. Spilte your statement on skills needs, tells me your clueless.
Hispeed...... Your statements? You are really missing a lot.
Read Armed and Female by Paxton Quigley. You almost sound like a Arouubi(SP) devotee. (the self proclaim HD experts who bad mouths Wheel guns)
If they are capable enough to want a firearm for defense, they should be capable enough for one that has more ballistic oomph than a .22. My first recommendation is a shotgun, preferred .12 gage, but Mossberg (IIRC) made a Home Defender in .410. Next choice a .357/.38 wheel gun co-located w/ a good light. Lastly, a quality semi-auto (the simpler the better Glock, S&W M&P, etc.) in 9mm.
Nothing keeps bad guys away like the growl of a dog - bigger the better, plus they get companionship out of the deal.
How about just not ever leaving the house? Best to have and not need then to need and not have.
Pros of the Taurus PT-22
-Small size
-Light weight
-$190
Cons:
-fixed sights
-8 round capacity
- said to be quite unreliable and dangerous for the user, frequent problems.
- said to be highly inaccurate (with a 2.75" barrel I'd believe that.)
i can verify that yes, the damn thing is inaccurate as hell...ABNINF will back this up for me from our range day. the thing is easy to take apart and put back together. jammed like 10 times in a 3 hour timespan at the range.great for someone looking to get a very close range protection gun.
My apology... the original post was abigiuosly asking about what to arm an elderly couple with, without knowing training and ability... hence the delta reference to exemplify trained versus untrained. Yes lawful firearms carry is the ultimate defense, however to be lawfully carrying a firearm without any training, practice, and knowledge of the applicable laws and is irresponsible and reckless. I don't have the first clue how to ride a motorcycle... should I be allowed to jump on a crotch rocket and hit the road at a hundred miles an hour... no way... i'd kill myself an probably a few others.
Irresponsible and reckless gun owners as well as paranoid nutjobs are the ones hurting gun ownership. The people who improperly store and secure their guns... the nuts who think every bad guy wants to kick in the door of their trailer, rape their dog and steal the Barry Manilow collection... This post has NOTHING TO DO WITH GUN CONTROL... so get off your soapbox and stop ranting like that paranoid nutjob in his trailer... sheesh!
The Chicago Tribune
Author and gun expert Paxton Quigley says women need to have a better defense strategy than dialing 911.
"I'm not paranoid, I'm watchful," says Quigley, who spoke at a Chicago rally recently. "I'm prudent in taking care of myself. In a world where there is random crime, there are certain (precautionary) measures that should be taken." But you don't have to own a gun to adapt some of Quigley's tactics:
- Create a "safe room" in your home to protect you from intruders, either your bedroom, or, if you have children, the bedroom of your youngest child, she says. She suggests installing a deadbolt and keeping a cell phone and pepper foam there, out of children's reach.
- Take different routes to and from work, and vary the times you leave and return home. "And if you suspect someone is following you, don't go home," she says. "If there's not a police station nearby, seek help at a restaurant, or somewhere else that is public and crowded."
- If you travel for business, "..keep a man's necktie or hat in the car so it appears you're not traveling alone," she suggests. In hotels, request a room by the elevator
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Geez... Paxton Quigley must be clueless too???
As far as me being clueless... I'm not... I'm one of the lawfully carrying and very well trained gun owners.
By the way... A handgun is the last choice for home defense, a handgun that mounts a flashlight is a better choice, A revolver is simple and easy, but eliminates mounting a flashlight, a .22 is easy to shoot with no recoil, but it lacks a large permanent wound channel... even hits to organs and great vessels do not often produce rapid incapacitating blood loss, a shotgun is ideal-even a .410 pump with flashlight, 20gauge with #4 low brass even better... shucks just stick an M18DFM in front of the bedroom door!
I'm done on this subject...
Yeah, go with a wheel gun. More idiot proof.
Why are people so down on the .22? Ask a street cop or someone who works in an ER how nasty a .22 is, after it bounces around the body due to its lack of ability to punch through the body.
Do they make a +P round for the .22?
I am not knocking my .22, it's a great little gun to have, i just worry about the thing being so inaccurate. i am going to look into something new here int he future.
i agree with the oomph factor...lets assume they are in good enough shape to be able to move and respond with a firearm. If thats the case then get something that would prevent the need to fight or require quick reflex's for the second or third shot from a .22. At an older age they need reliability and simplicity. Reliability comes from the one shot deal, because the follow up scenerio may require additional tactics to overpower a wounded and pissed off intruder. Simplicity comes by way of a bit of training with whatever they purchase and the familiarity of its functions. If this seems too far out for them then...get a good size dog or move to a safer location.
my vote on home defence = .45acp or 12gauge...if you cant load or handle it...get that dog or move out. Semi-auto or revolver...doesnt matter, both require training.
.45 for an elderly person? Jeez, how about a desert eagle
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