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    One thumb following the other right? web of the hand as high as possible? Thats the way I do it. And as I said it does happen, but more when the Sig is fresh out of the box, not after if has a few through it.

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    Yup, I also use my thumbs to counter trigger torque. A lot of guys shoot relaxed thumbs. I found that by flaring my elbows out slightly, it increases my grip, making follow up splits faster. The right thumb just rides on the slide stop release.

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    Hey guys I think I am going to buy a CZ 97? What do you guys think?

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    Yeah, its a good way to shoot... It is the method we are teaching now.

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    CZ are fine pistols.


    Laconian, S&W makes a very fine "compact" 45 he chief special. Very pleasant to shoot.

    How that fits in to the discussion, I am not sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lt-Col A. Tack View Post
    Question for any knowledgeable person(s)

    I'm contemplating purchasing a handgun (my first) and have had multiple gun owners recommend purchasing a revolver for my first handgun.
    a lot depends on what you want it for.

    I have a stainless 4" S&W 686, in .357Mag, for home defense. I just put meprolight tritium night-sights on it.
    I tend to alternate between my XD and a black-Armory-Kote Springfield TRP 1911 in .45 for carry, as comfort and clothing permit, backed up by a S&W 442 .38Spl with lasergrips, in a pocket holster.

    for carry, you need "enough gun", but you have to be able to carry it comfortably, and conceal it in your normal clothing, or you'll end up leaving it at home. my dad carries a GLOCK 23, but I have a hell of a time concealing something that thick, and the GLOCK grips are uncomfortable to me.

    for home defense, it is more just a matter of reliability, shootability, and adequate power. that SIG you pictured would work, although I prefer a revolver for home. (my house-gun only gets unloaded for cleaning or transport to the range - that doesn't affect a revolver, but I've killed semiauto mags by leaving them loaded.)

    as far as stainless goes, it would work better with light-colored clothing for carry use than a black gun. I have also heard of courts referring to dark-colored weapons as "more threatening", although it was referring to a knife. stainless is certainly easier to keep clean and rust-free.

    if you are just getting it for shooting, that SIG would be hard to beat. or any other semiauto 9mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HOLLiS View Post
    Laconian, S&W makes a very fine "compact" 45 he chief special. Very pleasant to shoot.
    H, the first one of those I saw was in evidence. Some scumbag used one to try and kill a friend of mine (a cop - since retired). He won that gunfight and from prison the guy tried to put a on contract on him. We nailed him in a murder-for-hire sting. One of the first big U/C cases I ran. Off-topic, but cool story...

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    Quote Originally Posted by orionhawk View Post
    a lot depends on what you want it for.

    I have a stainless 4" S&W 686, in .357Mag, for home defense. I just put meprolight tritium night-sights on it.
    I tend to alternate between my XD and a black-Armory-Kote Springfield TRP 1911 in .45 for carry, as comfort and clothing permit, backed up by a S&W 442 .38Spl with lasergrips, in a pocket holster.

    for carry, you need "enough gun", but you have to be able to carry it comfortably, and conceal it in your normal clothing, or you'll end up leaving it at home. my dad carries a GLOCK 23, but I have a hell of a time concealing something that thick, and the GLOCK grips are uncomfortable to me.

    for home defense, it is more just a matter of reliability, shootability, and adequate power. that SIG you pictured would work, although I prefer a revolver for home. (my house-gun only gets unloaded for cleaning or transport to the range - that doesn't affect a revolver, but I've killed semiauto mags by leaving them loaded.)

    as far as stainless goes, it would work better with light-colored clothing for carry use than a black gun. I have also heard of courts referring to dark-colored weapons as "more threatening", although it was referring to a knife. stainless is certainly easier to keep clean and rust-free.

    if you are just getting it for shooting, that SIG would be hard to beat. or any other semiauto 9mm.
    Thanks for the advice, sir. You have an impressive arsenal. Different tools for different applications.

    "that SIG you pictured would work, although I prefer a revolver for home."

    Actually, I have the impression that for defensive use, that Sig in the picture wouldn't be the best choice, and that seems to be the consensus of opinion.

    I've have heard that revolvers are "more reliable" (less ****e to jamming) than automatics, but I'm guessing that if you buy a quality automatic, you'll likely have no problems.

    Is that a fair statement?

    I've also heard (I seem to be repeating a lot of second hand opinions) that chrome would reflect sunlight and the glare would be a problem. Also, that same individual said that stainless wouldn't have that particular problem.

    Is any of that true?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lt-Col A. Tack View Post
    Thanks for the advice, sir. You have an impressive arsenal. Different tools for different applications.

    "that SIG you pictured would work, although I prefer a revolver for home."

    Actually, I have the impression that for defensive use, that Sig in the picture wouldn't be the best choice, and that seems to be the consensus of opinion.

    I've have heard that revolvers are "more reliable" (less ****e to jamming) than automatics, but I'm guessing that if you buy a quality automatic, you'll likely have no problems.

    Is that a fair statement?

    I've also heard (I seem to be repeating a lot of second hand opinions) that chrome would reflect sunlight and the glare would be a problem. Also, that same individual said that stainless wouldn't have that particular problem.

    Is any of that true?

    I have put about 3k rounds through my P2000. No jams what so ever. I also maintain it well too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezekiel25:17 View Post
    I have put about 3k rounds through my P2000. No jams what so ever. I also maintain it well too.
    Interesting, many of those were reloads, I'm guessing?

    I thought I heard someone say that reloaded ammo voids the warranty on a gun.

    Is that true?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lt-Col A. Tack View Post
    Interesting, many of those were reloads, I'm guessing?

    I thought I heard someone say that reloaded ammo voids the warranty on a gun.

    Is that true?

    Nope. Just ammo I buy at stores.

    I don't know since I don't do my own reloads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lt-Col A. Tack View Post
    Interesting, many of those were reloads, I'm guessing?

    I thought I heard someone say that reloaded ammo voids the warranty on a gun.

    Is that true?

    Never heard of that, except maybe in some of the New designer rounds, fiveseven and 357 sig. New to me. Maybe someone has better information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HOLLiS View Post
    Never heard of that, except maybe in some of the New designer rounds, fiveseven and 357 sig. New to me. Maybe someone has better information.
    Believe me, I process this kind of information with reflexive skepticism. Just throwing it out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lt-Col A. Tack View Post
    Believe me, I have skeptical instinct with regards to this kind of information.

    Me too. I think the exploding 5-7 was because the person was not proficient or made a mistake in reloading and tried to pass the buck.


    A story that goes back to the 70's, was a guy decided to make a mistake. Maybe for insurance where suicide voids the policy. He loaded a 30-06 with 65 gains of bulls-eye. Maybe it is just a urban tale or not. But I sure would not want to shoot that round.

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