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    Quote Originally Posted by SHAWZIE View Post
    The group that shot down one of the Viscounts were wiped out by the SAS and info on this will be in my forthcoming book Choppertech which is in the process of being edited. If you are interested in the book keep checking on my blog www.choppertech.blogspot.com and I will let you know when it gets published.
    I have some great photos of fireforce and gunships in the book with new material on fireforce actions including my downing of the BDF Defender in August 1979
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    I am a fairly frequent visitor to your site so I will no doubt get the notification on one of my future visits - Thanks OOTF

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    Quote Originally Posted by SHAWZIE View Post
    The group that shot down one of the Viscounts were wiped out by the SAS and info on this will be in my forthcoming book Choppertech which is in the process of being edited. If you are interested in the book keep checking on my blog www.choppertech.blogspot.com and I will let you know when it gets published.
    I have some great photos of fireforce and gunships in the book with new material on fireforce actions including my downing of the BDF Defender in August 1979
    Gordon

    I'll look forward to reading that one when it comes out!
    Hey I think I saw Nigel Lamb get a mention at your site a while ago? I got his autograph at the Red Bull Air Races last year without realising he was ex-RhAF. Seems a nice guy. But then I guess if your day job alternated between air racing and flying Spitfires you would be always cheerful!

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    Could use a few of these around the office...
    Found better photo in my bin...
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhodtpr View Post
    5' 9" - but I have a 74" reach.

    I concur, the M-14 is the finest shooting iron ever developed by man or the Gods!
    A 74" reach? Do the back of your wrists have drag marks?

    Better photo of my old FN... Also good shots of my cigarettes
    (Berkley as I recall... quit smoking in '85) and my butt...
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    I am a nube here... have looked at fine collection of photos on site...
    Spent 1976-78 in Rhodesia. I will be loading up some of my photos
    from that time. All were taken by me except any involving "mineproof"
    vehicles... Those were taken by the late Gean Mash.
    ...I was the security manager at a war production plant. Also spent
    some time in uniform. Training call signs started with "Yankee" so that
    anyone overhearing would not freak out. At 27 I was 6 years older
    than the next one down and a decade older than some.
    ...As a team leader in training my call sign was "Yankee Papa" which amused the lads no end...
    When I first arrived in Rhodesia an unlikely set of circumstances put me in the company of a dentist (major in the reserve) and his friends on a trip to the Cutty Sark at Lake Kariba. They took me to dam. My information was that 50% of Rhodesia's power from dam, but *all* of Zambia's... and power generation equipment on *our* side so it behooved them to behave at the dam site...

    But as guards on their side could wind up with too much chibuku or dagga... "tourist facility" of sandbags set up... Most times no problems...

    On a less happy note: Dentist (I think his first name Ron?) was about to be arrested not long after Mugabe took power for being part of an (actual) plot against Mugabe... When police broke into his home they found him dead of some nasty mix of chemicals...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yankee Papa View Post
    When I first arrived in Rhodesia an unlikely set of circumstances put me in the company of a dentist (major in the reserve) and his friends on a trip to the Cutty Sark at Lake Kariba. They took me to dam. My information was that 50% of Rhodesia's power from dam, but *all* of Zambia's... and power generation equipment on *our* side so it behooved them to behave at the dam site...

    But as guards on their side could wind up with too much chibuku or dagga... "tourist facility" of sandbags set up... Most times no problems...

    On a less happy note: Dentist (I think his first name Ron?) was about to be arrested not long after Mugabe took power for being part of an (actual) plot against Mugabe... When police broke into his home they found him dead of some nasty mix of chemicals...
    As I have mentioned before, I was stationed for 3 years at 2nd Independant Company in Kariba. No matter the % of power going to which country... the loss of this facilities ability to supply power would have been catastrophic. The placement of guards in and around the dam wall was one of our functions. On numerous occasions I had the opportunity to tour the dam wall as duty NCO - one of those "pain in the butt" duties but ... necessary nonetheless. As I recall, we placed guards at 3 different levels / areas. 1 Main Building / Control room 2. Road level - top of dam wall & 3. Turbine room or more specifically at the river level just above the tail-races (fishing was good there until some officer decided to shut us down)
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    [quote=Yankee Papa;3821294]A 74" reach? Do the back of your wrists have drag marks?

    Nope, even though I have short legs...I'll never forget being on the outside position of a sweep line going through a maize field near Mtoko to contact in Apr/79 that was being led by 6' 6" Lt. Hartley who was on the inside of the line.

    Whenever he wheeled the sweepline to turn on his position it took about 20 of my little steps to stay even with the guy next to me!!!

    He kept shouting at me to keep up even though I was practically sprinting with all my gear on to stay in position...guess they never taught stepping short on the inside when wheeling about at the School of Infantry in Gwelo...???

    What was that little blurb we had to memorize about the function of drill on the parade square and its' application to the battlefield?

    No contact was made although the terrs had done a nice job of shooting up a Guard Force MAP vehicle - good grouping on the windshield with an RPD!

    I am almost sent a 42Zulu into the underbrush at two sets of eyes I saw staring at me until a women working in the field shouted "Mira-Mira" and darted into the brush - she emerged moments later dragging two little piccanins about 4 or 5 years old by the hand scolding them (me?) in the process.

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    [quote=Yankee Papa;3821314]

    But as guards on their side could wind up with too much chibuku or dagga... "tourist facility" of sandbags set up... Most times no problems...

    Except the time (1976?) the Zambian Guards shot and killed 2 teenage Canadian girls from Ontario who were swimming on the Rhodesian side of the dam while on vacation.

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    The above two images are from the story here, http://hararetribune.com/harare-city...us-scouts.html on the arrest of two former RF soldiers in Zim.

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    Aaaah, what dan we say here?
    Only that once again mugabes lack of education and syphilis tortured brain cell is again making its presence known.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jebelcat View Post
    " The Rhodesian's never really forgave him for his ZIPRA forces downing of the two Air Rhodesia Viscount airliners and the massacre of 10 of the 17 survivors in the first incident (all aboard the 2nd were killed). "

    Just a small bit of info regarding the above...the gang that carried out the first shooting down and the massacre of the survivors,were hunted down and were all killed.....
    Quote Originally Posted by zvezdah View Post
    Prior to the Viscounts, I really think Nkomo and Rhodesian govt could've come to terms in the end. The Viscount shootdowns put paid to any chance of that. I'd gotten to Rhodesia not long before the first shootdown. As I recall Nkomo was actually at Tiny Rowland's House (the LonRho millionaire who played both sides of the game).

    The amazing thing to me at the time, all the hue and cry to the arab hijackings as terrorists and yet I think the Viscounts were the two first civilian airliners ever shot down by SAMs. As Ian Smith said re: world opinion/outcry(or lack of) about the shoot downs "the silence is deafening......."

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    When I read the first 2 of these posts about the shooting down of those Viscounts, exactly the same thoughts came to mind as those in the 2nd post. I think the question of Apartheid and Majority Rule was very much a "Cause celebre" at the time with celebrities and pop stars telling everyone who'd listen how wonderful African nationalists were and the Arabs were the "baddies" on the world stage with Israel seen as the victims. A similar thing happened not long ago with the "Left" telling us how wonderful the Muslims were. The problem is that when you come across Liberal/Left dogma they won't admit there is anything wrong with them or the people they are promoting. Let's face it, if I went out on the streets of the UK and called for people to kill Jews I would be in Prison before you could say Unilateral Declaration of Independance. However when certain Muslim Clerics said it, that action undermined the beliefs of the Left that all Muslims were wonderful and should be engaged rather than castigated. In the case of the Viscounts, I fear much the same could have happened. Dawson's Field stands out in my mind, as does the USS Vincennes shooting down the Iranian airliner, but, try as I might, I can't remember the shooting down of those aircraft.

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    Yankee Papa,
    your rifle had the long flash hider typical of the British SLR (a few hundreds Australian L1A1s made their way to Rhodesia as well). When the Army changed for the FN (or SA R1) around 1966-67, all the SLRs went to the BSAP.
    At the same time, it had a FN handguard (3 holes where the SLR has 2) - I suppose a replacement of damaged original wooden handguard.

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    I re-call the SLR was also given out to the Rhodesian Defence Regiment... did any of you guys ever make "Samanths" nite club or the disco at the Park Lane Hotel?????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxdray View Post
    I re-call the SLR was also given out to the Rhodesian Defence Regiment... did any of you guys ever make "Samanths" nite club or the disco at the Park Lane Hotel?????
    Max, what/where was the "Terrace Cane" - was it the disco at the Park Lane Hotel?

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    Here is a pic of the "Terrace Kane" where we Troopies often went for the ritual Saturday afternoon piss-up!

    Recognize any of these guys? I did not know them but I think they were soldiers.
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