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    JJ I don't get your drift....even if you wanted to portray the Rhodesian Army as a "glorious white supremist army" you would be far from the truth. Perhaps you ought to take your cameras and film bears in China rather than concern yourself about Rhodesia's history. At least with bears you will have a better chance of getting it right!
    My point is that the Rhodesian army and military services consisted of white and black men. both who served with a lot of dedication and hardship. It wasnt an "all white army fighting the terrible blacks".
    I worked with a lot of RAR guys who deserved better recognition that they got. Also a lot of gooks were mislead through ignorance that they would have a better lot after in a new Zimbabwe. History has proven otherwise. I dont hate Africans either although as a group of people they have caused me personally a lot of hardship in my life. And as a born and bred Rhodie (Now Zimbo) I probably can do and would like to believe I can do a better job than a pom or a yank.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeff jedi View Post
    My point is that the Rhodesian army and military services consisted of white and black men. both who served with a lot of dedication and hardship. It wasnt an "all white army fighting the terrible blacks".
    I worked with a lot of RAR guys who deserved better recognition that they got. Also a lot of gooks were mislead through ignorance that they would have a better lot after in a new Zimbabwe. History has proven otherwise. I dont hate Africans either although as a group of people they have caused me personally a lot of hardship in my life. And as a born and bred Rhodie (Now Zimbo) I probably can do and would like to believe I can do a better job than a pom or a yank.
    Cheers.
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    Well Jeff, your explanation clear things up and thank you for that - I was also taken back by the "white supremist" implication ...problem with expressing views here is that the point being made isnt always sent or received as it was intended, and then we understandably get flak... As long as it doesnt get personal, its okay to say how you feel. I share your views in this posting.

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    Keith - I can't speak for others but at 2 Indep we were issued paint from the maintenance workshops - they used this paint for vehicle repairs etc. So, that said... I guess I should be asking for any info on the colours used for camo on our vehicles.
    Again - any help would be appreciated.
    Would enjoy seeing some photo's of your bush pub if have the inclination to post.
    About 3 years ago, I was defrauded by an American con artist (operates internationally) out of a lovely home on a large property and was almost left penniless. A friend allocated an area on his rural property for me where I've steadily built up a bush camp that has all the amenities one could want for outdoor living. Wouldnt have known how to do that without previous experiences from the Rhodesian bush war. Sure I will send you photos....need a little time. Cheers...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeff jedi View Post
    My point is that the Rhodesian army and military services consisted of white and black men. both who served with a lot of dedication and hardship. It wasnt an "all white army fighting the terrible blacks".
    I worked with a lot of RAR guys who deserved better recognition that they got. Also a lot of gooks were mislead through ignorance that they would have a better lot after in a new Zimbabwe. History has proven otherwise. I dont hate Africans either although as a group of people they have caused me personally a lot of hardship in my life. And as a born and bred Rhodie (Now Zimbo) I probably can do and would like to believe I can do a better job than a pom or a yank.
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    Ok now I get your drift, thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Cronin View Post
    If I may, the British fought a very successful COIN against Malay communist guerrillas in the early to mid-1950s because they paid attention to the fundamentals. They isolated the local population in keeps, but instead of neglecting their basic needs like the Rhodesians later did, they allowed the civilians to farm very close to the keeps themselves and made these things self-supporting, with stores and clinics inside the walls, so there was no need for the people to escape and return to their former villages. In this way, the guerrillas were now denied a resupply network, and if there was one tactic that led to their defeat, this was it. You would have thought that Rhodesia would have incorporated this simple ploy to strengthen its hand in the rural areas, since there were so many former British armed forces who later went to on to join the Rhodesian Security Forces, but as smart as they were in so many ways, this was not to be and they did not learn this vital lesson.
    The greatest difference between the Malayan and Rhodesian experience of PVs was that the CTs in case of Malaya were mostly ethnic Chinese, so a different community from the local Malay farmers. While in Rhodesia the population in PVs and the guerillas were from the same ethnic background, so hard to make apart. The principle was sound, but I am afraid doomed to failure in the case of Rhodesia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cnd Riflemen View Post
    When the FN FAL derivative was adopted by the Federal Army of Rhodesia & Nyasaland, (Pre UDI and sanctions) were the original weapons purchased from Australia? I seem to recall reading this detail somewhere, perhaps some of the other participants to this thread can elaborate. This is a tough one as the early versions of the British & Australian L1A1 (AKA the SLR) and the Canadian C1A1 all looked identical with no practical difference to the end user. Certainly early photographs of Rhodesian troops show the FN with their style of wood furnishings and flash eliminator.
    Most L1A1 during the Federation time come from UK, but Australia provided several hundreds in the early 60s. I have a book on Aussie L1A1 which gives the exact figures and year. I will check that this evening (European time).

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeff jedi View Post
    My point is that the Rhodesian army and military services consisted of white and black men. both who served with a lot of dedication and hardship. It wasnt an "all white army fighting the terrible blacks".
    I worked with a lot of RAR guys who deserved better recognition that they got. Also a lot of gooks were mislead through ignorance that they would have a better lot after in a new Zimbabwe. History has proven otherwise. I dont hate Africans either although as a group of people they have caused me personally a lot of hardship in my life. And as a born and bred Rhodie (Now Zimbo) I probably can do and would like to believe I can do a better job than a pom or a yank.
    Cheers.
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    JJ I agree with everything that you are putting across, and I applaud you but do you really class your self as a " zimbo " now I am truely saddensd by this....and are you still living there....??...this is just an observation on my part....

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    Quote Originally Posted by jebelcat View Post
    JJ I agree with everything that you are putting across, and I applaud you but do you really class your self as a " zimbo " now I am truely saddensd by this....and are you still living there....??...this is just an observation on my part....
    Can't say I disagree with your observation

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    Talking Rhodie, Zimbo or Fedi

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    Can't say I disagree with your observation

    Hey guys give it a break - move on with the times. I was born in 1956 so still in the days of the Federation of Rhodesia and Nyasaland so strictly speaking i should call myself a Fedi? My Rhodesian flag hangs in my house for all to see where my affiliations belong.
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    From yank-mil-mag 'Eagle', December of 1983...
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Saint View Post
    Most L1A1 during the Federation time come from UK, but Australia provided several hundreds in the early 60s. I have a book on Aussie L1A1 which gives the exact figures and year. I will check that this evening (European time).
    My bad, the book details the rifle numbers of each lot bought by the different countries but does not provide any date. According to the list, Rhodesia purchased a bit over 400 Australian L1A1s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Cronin View Post
    I served with him, Winkler and Early and I'll tell you a bit about them as I see postings about them. I was a Lieutenant in the RLI for two years and a captain in the Selous Scouts for 18 months toward the end of the war and I dealt with all three of these yahoos. Early was by far the biggest goombah of the group, but Williams came close. Grays' Scouts was a thoroughly overrated unit that was supposed to sweep the fenceline with Mozambique, but because of a lack of resources, it was pretty much relegated to cleaning up horse doots. And what kind of doofus calls himself Mad Mike? See below for other observations.
    Some great mail John , Winkler in the RLI officers mess made me laugh keep them coming, nice to hear a veiw from an officer, now I think you were a bit unfair to Greys Scouts we had some good contacts, in early 1976 held the record of 60+ gooks killed in one contact(this was before RLI went para) also late79 hit a good few gooks coming over the Zambezi (with the help of "D"Sqd) yes we had a few "****-ups" But what unit did not .Uncle Ron's men borrowed 2 armoured cars from Rh.A.C.R and refused the trained crews from the RhACR and used his own men both armoured cars were left in Mozambique after the raid with there radios still intact..Like most units we had good and bad, Patrick Ollivier(went from trooper to Captain in 5yrs not bad for a frenchman who had only the basic of english when he came to Rhodesia, Don Kenny ex brit SAS French Foreign Legion,"C"Sqd SAS a first rate soldier.On a personel note I think some of the "Horsie types" were promoted well over there capability as soldiers(a fewTF's were quite well off $$$ wise and a few dare I say, wanted a end to the war so sanctons could be lifted and money would pour in from the west and into there business)On Major Mike Williams he was ok, an officer you told talk too, he was a bit "Gung Ho" but it was all good "Bull****" bit of a prat for taking the news reporter with him on ops, it finished his career with the army, his driver(Major Mike) was another yank Ed Wandell (USMC) think Ed went to 3 Commando.... John did you ever meet a Yank Officier in the Engineers Captain/Major? COX? lost part of his foot in Vietnam (Big Big guy) but very good officer worked with him on the border (keep tales from the officers mess coming in)

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    Colleagues; Jonathan Pittaway has just published his newest book 'SAS Rhodesia'. Shall I present some details about the book here?

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    Default Police convoy escort - Essexvale to Beitbridge

    Assmbly and briefing at Essexvale, stop over at Todds Motel and turnaround at Beitbridge
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    These were in my army section - a couple I cant remember from where:

    On the subject of Grey Scouts did anyone work with a guy named Neville Bosworth?

    The pics are from Inyanga - 3 indep turf. Honde valley but from Mt Inyanga side. (Worlds view?) The big granite gommo is from the same area - on the way to Ruda BAse Camp? We had a good few beers at the pubs at Hotsprings and Birchenoff Bridge. Note the lack of sand bags and guards at the bridge- so it must be 1975/6. We used to go past Rupisi hot springs on our way to Gonarezou/ South East Rhodesia. Does anyone remember the water slide at the top of Burmah Valley? The picture with ball point pen writing on it is of Burmah Valley. A farm in the valley was Robandi - referred to in Alexandra Fullers book "Lets not go to the dogs tonite". Good read.
    RAR guy with the MAG shows the loose belt method of carrying rounds and the second more fuzzy one is the looped method as previously described.
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