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    However, I also dont remember if the Syrians or Egyptians flew MiG-25s themselves.
    Syrians flew them during 1980's air battles.
    One was shot down 13.02.81 when one Mig-25P tried to intercept RF-4. F-15 intceprts Mig-25 and downs it
    One other was downed on 29.07.81 when 2 Mig-21's and 2 Mig-25 tried to intercept the Israeli F-15's. One Mig-25 was downed while others escaped.
    Israeli Improved Hawk downed one high flying Mig-25 on 31.08.82

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    I thought Soviet communists officials / Bolsheviks were all Jews
    The Nazis considered the communists to be Jewish. In actual fact Communism is Athiest in outlook in that it is not religious at all.
    The fact that some Communists had Jewish names does not make them Jewish... A Japanese woman of Buddist religion can marry someone named Goldstein and take her husbands name and remain Buddist. Her name is Goldstein but she is ethnically not jewish and is genetically not jewish if you view being jewish a race and a religion.

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    Jewish is also a race, in fact Zionism was founded by aetheistic Jews.
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    Communist Jews = Zionist Jews, which makes the Soviet involmention in the Arab-Israeli conflict more of a paradox

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    Communist Jews = Zionist Jews
    How did you come to this conclusion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loke-Gao-Zhu View Post
    Jewish is also a race, in fact Zionism was founded by aetheistic Jews.
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    Communist Jews = Zionist Jews, which makes the Soviet involmention in the Arab-Israeli conflict more of a paradox



    Please, do us all favor and STFU!!! Your ignorance is awe inspiring. Yes, at the start of the Revolution many of the communists were Jews. But pretty much during all the existance of the Soviet Union, there was consistent semi-official government induced anti-Semitic policy manifested in the restrictions against Jews in the universities, job apportunities etc etc.

    Here something little just to give you a taste how "Communist Jews" were treated:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctors'_plot

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    Quote Originally Posted by IDF_TANKER View Post


    Please, do us all favor and STFU!!! Your ignorance is awe inspiring. Yes, at the start of the Revolution many of the communists were Jews. But pretty much during all the existance of the Soviet Union, there was consistent semi-official government induced anti-Semitic policy manifested in the restrictions against Jews in the universities, job apportunities etc etc.

    Here something little just to give you a taste how "Communist Jews" were treated:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctors'_plot
    forgive my ignorance, but wasn't the anti-Semitic laws enforced by Stalin himself?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loke-Gao-Zhu View Post
    forgive my ignorance, but wasn't the anti-Semitic laws enforced by Stalin himself?
    What you mean by himself? Personally? He was the policy maker. But these policies stayed pretty much until the USSR break down in the early 1990s.

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    Soviet Mig-25 operations over Israel.

    Here is a 40 min video documentary from the "Udarnaya Sila" series about those operations. The title is "TRIUMPH OF THE FLYING FOXES" in reference to the Mig-25 FOXBAT. There is also footage about the ambush laid out by the Israelis against the Soviet flown Mig-21s. The documentary is in Russian language.

    http://rutube.ru/tracks/733235.html?...22f13d9cb2ce1c

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loke-Gao-Zhu View Post
    Jewish is also a race, in fact Zionism was founded by aetheistic Jews.
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    Communist Jews = Zionist Jews, which makes the Soviet involmention in the Arab-Israeli conflict more of a paradox
    How do you go from wanting to know about Soviet pilots participating in covert operations, to spewing out your ignorant bull crap? Go read a few books and come back to us when you actually have something logical to say, you moron!
    Last edited by wicked_hind; 06-08-2008 at 02:20 PM. Reason: fix sentence

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheArmenian View Post
    Soviet Mig-25 operations over Israel.

    Here is a 40 min video documentary from the "Udarnaya Sila" series about those operations. The title is "TRIUMPH OF THE FLYING FOXES" in reference to the Mig-25 FOXBAT. There is also footage about the ambush laid out by the Israelis against the Soviet flown Mig-21s. The documentary is in Russian language.

    http://rutube.ru/tracks/733235.html?...22f13d9cb2ce1c
    Good show.. But have few mistakes. Like West has nothing compared to Mig-25

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snoshi View Post
    Good show.. But have few mistakes. Like West has nothing compared to Mig-25
    x2 I was pleasantly surprised by respectful tone towards Israel, without political BS. I wish our Egyptian friends could see this movie: "Egyptian army found itself on the verge of defeat...".

    [edit] I think I saw somewhere a documentary about cold war arms race and they stated that F-15 was "inspired" to a degree by Mig-25.

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    Default RE: Requesting a list of covert operations by Soviet pilots during the Cold War

    Howdy, this is my first response, I hope to be able to contribute as well as learn something. -Adrian

    While I don't remember the names of any books on the Soviets in the Viet Nam conflict but, I do know there are some. A historian (Diego Zampini) and a Soviet pilot (Igor Seidov) have writen a book, "Red Devils over the 38th Parallel," Soviet pilots involved and their perspective of the Korean Conflict. Where this book can be purchased, I don't know, one could go to a book store and have them search and place it on order for you. Good luck

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    [edit] I think I saw somewhere a documentary about cold war arms race and they stated that F-15 was "inspired" to a degree by Mig-25.
    The Mig-25 was first seen at a moscow flypast and it was described as a Mach 3 fighter. The US almost wet itself and rush developed the F-15 to match it. Basically the F-15 we know today is what the US had anticipated the Mig-25 actually was capable of too. Something the Soviets didn't choose to correct by revealing that the Mig-25 was very much optimised for its two original roles, of recon and interception. In each role it was very good at its role and it was certainly more affordable than the on paper superior SR-71. It was never and was never intended to be anything like the F-15. It was always an interceptor and recce aircraft. Just as it took an F-15 to shoot down a recce Mig-25 it would probably have taken a Mig-25 or Su-27 to shoot down an SR-71. Of course the SR-71 never overflew any countries airspace to test that...

    What you mean by himself? Personally? He was the policy maker. But these policies stayed pretty much until the USSR break down in the early 1990s.
    I think what he is trying to say is that the communist revolution in Russia might have started with some jewish influence or participation but Stalin was not jewish and when he took power there was no chance of the Soviet Union going that way.
    I am not saying he is right or wrong... it is mostly German WWII period accounts that I find describe the Soviet Union or Russia and mention it as being jewish in motivation (or whatever). It sounds to me that Hitler just wanted to combine the two things that seemed to p!ss him off the most... Jews and Commiesm and Hitlers German complied by creating the link.

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    Actually it was Stalin's idea to even allow the creation of Israel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GazB View Post
    The Mig-25 was first seen at a moscow flypast and it was described as a Mach 3 fighter.
    While first seen on the May Day Parade over Moscow, that gave the diplomats a chance to see the fighter but, intelligence already knew about it.
    The fear people spoke was not of what it could do at that time but, rather when the Soviet Union develop look-down shoot-down radar/missile combination. Had the Soviet Air Force obtained that combination, the threat that the USAF/NATO fear would have been justified.

    Quote Originally Posted by GazB View Post
    Just as it took an F-15 to shoot down a recce Mig-25 it would probably have taken a Mig-25 or Su-27 to shoot down an SR-71.
    To my knowledge all the MiG-25's shot down were at 50,000ft (15245m) and lower. At altitude, it would take fighter the capability of the F-14, F-15, Su-27 to intercept the MiG-25.

    Quote Originally Posted by GazB View Post
    Of course the SR-71 never overflew any countries airspace to test that...
    Actually it has, during its life there were more than a thousand SAMs were fired at SR-71. It was above ground zero when the PRC tested its first nuclear weapon!


    Quote Originally Posted by Banko View Post
    Actually it was Stalin's idea to even allow the creation of Israel.
    That is interesting for wasn't it the USSR among the major powers that abstained from voting at the UN when the other major world powers voted in favor of the establishment of the state of Israel?

    Adrian

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