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    ive a few questions about the B1B bomber.

    How does the ejection capsule work?

    and any news on the upgraded version the B1-R ?


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    [*******Black]Wikipedia - B-1R[/COLOR]

    [*******Black]The B-1R is a proposed replacement for the B-1B fleet. Boeing's director of global strike integration, Rich Parke, was first quoted about the "B-1R" bomber in Air Force Magazine. Parke said the B-1R (R stands for "regional") would be a Lancer with advanced radars, air-to-air missiles, and Pratt & Whitney F119 engines (originally developed for the F-22. FB-22 and YF-23-based design are alternative proposals. Its new top speed of Mach 2.2 would be purchased at the price of a 20% reduction of the B-1B's combat range. This proposal would involve modifying existing aircraft. [/COLOR][*******Black]Boeing's proposal appears to modify the B-1B into a design able to serve these two purposes. For the bomb-truck role Boeing proposes the modification of existing external hard points to allow them to carry multiple conventional warheads, dramatically improving overall war load. For the air-to-air role, both defensive and offensive, they propose to add active electronically-scanned array radar and allow some of the hard points to carry anti-aircraft missiles. Even with its somewhat reduced range as compared to the original B-1B, its fuel capacity remains quite large. This would allow it to escape from unfavorable air-to-air encounters by simply running away; there are few enough aircraft capable of Mach 2+ performance in general, and those that are deployed can maintain these speeds for only very short periods of time. In general terms the B-1R most closely resembles the original F-111 [/COLOR]concept, as opposed to a pure bomber role. However, it would be able to carry out these missions at ranges even greater than the F-111.




    B-1A nose section with ejection capsule denoted; at Wings Museum, January 2007. Maybe the ejection capsule would work the same way as the one found on the F-111. Thats all I could find, sorry.

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    i already read that that from wiki, but i would like to here something new or diffrent....

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    Quote Originally Posted by OMON View Post
    ive a few questions about the B1B bomber.

    How does the ejection capsule work?

    and any news on the upgraded version the B1-R ?
    The B-1A was fitted with the capsule, as part of the initial design to allow safer high-speed high-altitude ejection during the Mach 2+ dash. However that was replaced with individual ejection seats on the B-1B for simplicity. Also, if I remember correctly, the only time the B-1A capsule was used, the results weren't very good. One of the prototypes crashed, and the low-altitude ejection combined with a malfunction of the parachutes caused the death of one of the crew. As to how it worked, it was ejected by pyrotechnic means, i.e. rockets, above and behind the aircraft, at which point the parachute and airbags were deployed. The airbags cushioned landing, and also prevented sinking if the capsule landed in water.

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    So the new versions dont eject with the capsule?

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    I believe the bone's capsule system was replaced by individual ejection seats a long time ago (after an accident where the capsule didn't perform well). There are hatches on both the top and bottom that can be blown open for exit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AusTiger666 View Post
    [*******Black]Wikipedia - B-1R[/COLOR]

    [*******Black]The B-1R is a proposed replacement for the B-1B fleet. Boeing's director of global strike integration, Rich Parke, was first quoted about the "B-1R" bomber in Air Force Magazine. Parke said the B-1R (R stands for "regional") would be a Lancer with advanced radars, air-to-air missiles, and Pratt & Whitney F119 engines (originally developed for the F-22. FB-22 and YF-23-based design are alternative proposals. Its new top speed of Mach 2.2 would be purchased at the price of a 20% reduction of the B-1B's combat range. This proposal would involve modifying existing aircraft. [/COLOR][*******Black]Boeing's proposal appears to modify the B-1B into a design able to serve these two purposes. For the bomb-truck role Boeing proposes the modification of existing external hard points to allow them to carry multiple conventional warheads, dramatically improving overall war load. For the air-to-air role, both defensive and offensive, they propose to add active electronically-scanned array radar and allow some of the hard points to carry anti-aircraft missiles. Even with its somewhat reduced range as compared to the original B-1B, its fuel capacity remains quite large. This would allow it to escape from unfavorable air-to-air encounters by simply running away; there are few enough aircraft capable of Mach 2+ performance in general, and those that are deployed can maintain these speeds for only very short periods of time. In general terms the B-1R most closely resembles the original F-111 [/COLOR]concept, as opposed to a pure bomber role. However, it would be able to carry out these missions at ranges even greater than the F-111.


    Good god, they planing on Building the Megafortress. friggin sweet, but seriously the bone is the best bomber we have now, screw the B-2 give us more bones!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BRAVO JULIET View Post
    Good god, they planing on Building the Megafortress. friggin sweet, but seriously the bone is the best bomber we have now, screw the B-2 give us more bones!
    *sighs* Yes Armchair General, Sir!

    We've got plenty of them. In fact, we've got a handful sunbathing in Arizona if need be. And you can't even compare the B-1 to the B-2, two totally different weapons platforms with different roles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2Sheds_Jackson View Post
    I believe the bone's capsule system was replaced by individual ejection seats a long time ago (after an accident where the capsule didn't perform well). There are hatches on both the top and bottom that can be blown open for exit.
    so all 4 seats can eject up and down ?

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    I am not sure which plane this story is about but one of the stealth planes B1 or B2 initially had a downward ejecting seat. But there was an accident where the plane was about 500 feet or so off the ground and the capsule ejected downwards when there was an emergency during a test flight. Turned out a few of the guys got injured or killed. This was a story from a prof who worked on the project, that's why the fuzzy story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dedbunniez View Post
    I am not sure which plane this story is about but one of the stealth planes B1 or B2 initially had a downward ejecting seat. But there was an accident where the plane was about 500 feet or so off the ground and the capsule ejected downwards when there was an emergency during a test flight. Turned out a few of the guys got injured or killed. This was a story from a prof who worked on the project, that's why the fuzzy story.
    It wasn't either of them, it was the B-47 Stratojet and the B-52 Stratofortress that have the downward ejection system.

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    So I stand corrected. Thanks for the info. I need to look up that incident.

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    There is one thing that bothers me about this ejection capsule. How will it work if the capsule itself suffers more or less extensive combat damage? The larger the capsule the bigger the probability of damage to it. Because of this it may improve safety during peace time but will it do that also in war time missions? Simple ejection seat exposes the pilot to all kinds of hazards during ejection, but on the other hand the seat is small and if it's badly hit the pilot will quite probably be also and then there might not be need for ejection anymore.

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    B-1B models all have individual ejection seats. The B-1R will never be produced. It is a pipe dream.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OMON View Post
    so all 4 seats can eject up and down ?
    Just up. If the pilots went down, they'd hit the forward landing gear, as can be seen here and here.

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