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    Is This What China Wants?

    By defeating India in 1962, China established its claim lines on the Sino-Indian border as the reality. For 35 years, India adopted a strong defensive posture on the border, with no intent of attacking China to recover lost territory, or even to do more than simply throw back a Chinese offensive should that take place. In the 1990s India agreed to substantially reduce forces on its side of the border to show it considered a peaceful solution to the border issue the only way to go.

    China's reaction to the winning hand it held for 35 years and the even bigger hand it managed by making complete idiots of the Indians in the 1990s - in fairness it takes little to make complete idiots of the Indians was - you've guessed it: to push the Indians harder than it has done before, with hundreds of intrusions and a massive infrastructure buildup in Tibet's remote regions including roads in areas India has controlled since before the coming of the British Raj.

    We are being neither cynical, bitter, or angry when we make the above comments. China sees itself as the eventual world superpower, this attitude is written into Chinese genes, and the country cannot help itself in taking every opportunity to push its neighbors as much as it can. Peaceful coexistence to the Chinese means accepting China as the suzerain, and that mans everyone else must accept vassal status. What China is doing is absolutely natural.

    But is it the right way to advance China's interests?

    [*******red]Consider the following. India has already raised two mountain divisions in 2008, the very first divisions it has raised since 1984. One is clearly a strike reserve against China, the other, while it has a role against Pakistan, has been created very much with China in mind. It is a strike reserve primarily for Ladakh.[/COLOR]

    [*******blue]Now Mandeep Singh Bajwa tells us that the next step in a decade-long buildup against China is being prepared.[/COLOR]

    A third new division, specifically for offensive operations in Ladakh, will be raised. Mr. Bajwa naturally cannot give any details as the information is classified. India at this time has 7 regular army battalions and perhaps 2 Scouts battalions oriented to covering the Ladakh border. The existing division is to get a third brigade, additional corps artillery is to be inducted; armored battlegroups - withdrawn under the reduction agreements with China - are to be reinducted; three long-closed airfields have been reactivated, and several Scouts battalions of specialized high mountain troops for offensive operations are to be added.

    In other words, not only does Indian Northern Command now have a mountain strike division that is not committed to the Pakistan front, Indian forces in Ladakh are to more than double. [*******blue]As important, nowhere in this buildup is the word "defense" mentioned[/COLOR].

    Ladakh has four sectors. One faces Pakistan, and it already has five brigades. Ladakh has three sectors. Even at it the height of its 1960s buildup against China, India's offensive component was a single, limited division attack in the southern sector, intended purely to throw off a Chinese offensive.

    [*******blue]But now India is building the capability to launch three simultaneous offensives, one of a brigade in the north, very high and very rugged terrain, a brigade in the center, and a full division in the south.[/COLOR]

    BUT please consider this. These five brigades are the first wave of the offensive. Behind them will be five other brigades, and behind these will be at least that many more drawn partly from reserves committed primarily to Pakistan front and only secondarily to the China front.

    In other words, where India before the buildup essentially had 4-5 brigades for Ladakh, it will soon have 15+, or a tripling of strength. and again, we need to emphasize, no one at Army HQ is talking about defense. These forces are being planned and will train for a straight, heavy-duty, combined air-ground offensive aimed at regaining Ladakh, and completely disrupting China's links with Sinkiang and Central Tibet.

    [*******red]China meanwhile has been steadily reducing its formation and upgrading them. But you see, the upgraded Chinese formations actually still have less capability than the Indians formations of today, unit for unit, because the Indians have steadily continued upgrading their army in general.[/COLOR] And a new round of modernization/reequipment is in the works so that the capability gap will be even larger, unit for unit. India is going for mass AND quality, whereas China is going for the discredited American doctrine of quality without mass.

    [*******blue]You see, India now has a trillion dollar economy and it spends just a bit over 2% of it on defense. The economy is expected to grow by 50% in the next five years - that is the reduced target given the recent distortions caused by oil and food. And India has decided it needs to going back to spending 4% of GDP on defense - all thanks to China[/COLOR]. India's defense budget looks set to triple in the period 2007-2012 - and the irony of it, people are beating up China for its defense expenditure, which - believe it or not - is actually about China says. In other words, China is NOT lying about its expenditures, sorry to disappoint everyone.

    So, back to our original question. Does China really think the Indian buildup is in its interest. India did not want to undertake the buildup, it wanted to normalize relations and to demilitarize the border, and it agreed to the latter. So what exactly has China gained by not keeping its end of the deal?

    Tomorrow we will talk about the political calculations China is making in the face of this massive Indian buildup, which has just begun, by the way. There are many more divisions on the way. And we will show that those political calculations, while entirely appropriate for the past, are now hopelessly outmoded
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    LCA : Light Combat Aircraft
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    Russian - Indian Medium Transport Aircraft : On the Drawing board, and Deal to be signed soon

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adux View Post
    Roy,

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    Man, she is hot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adux View Post
    As an Indian I am sure that India will reach the top, but will it be the uber best like USSR or USA, I very much doubt. India lacks political cohesion and strategic long term thinking. And is a socialist state with uber world utopia which is devoid of any ground realities(1962 Hindi-Chini Bhai is good example) and I would put my money on the Chinese, they have the zeal, desire, resources etc
    I don't really understand why you Indian Nationalists are so Anti-China.
    Nowadays I see hundreds of Indian IT professionals working in Shanghai + Beijing, You both are experiencing phenomenal economic growth an share a similar religion. I was visiting south China not long ago, an within 10 years it will be possible to drive from Kunming to Calcutta on a modern, high-speed road.
    So with all this projected economic prosperity to be shared I can't understand why, other than some strange self fullfilling prophecy, you think war is inevitable. I understand the need to help balance the power of China in the region but it seems like your acting more an more in America's foreign policy interests...

    Anyways here's my contribution

    N-deal a pretext to make India an US outpost against China:CPI

    Sat, Jun 14 03:29 PM
    New Delhi, Jun 14 (PTI) The civilian nuclear deal is a pretext by the United States to make India its "outpost" in the region to check the growth of China, CPI general secretary A B Bardhan said today. The CPI leader alleged the US was adopting various means to draw the country into the controversial deal.
    "The US is adopting various means to draw the country into a strategic partnership. They have a purpose, an aim.
    It wants India to act as its outpost in the region to counter balance China," he said. Bardhan, the leader of one of the four Left parties providing crucial outside support to the UPA, said his party did not believe in the US idea of "balancing of power".
    "We want India and China to stay together. We do not want confrontation with them as it is not best for the interest of the country and the region," he said.
    Claiming that the US was trying to impose its agenda across the world, he noted that America was interfering in every part of the world. "The US is imposing its unilateral policies across the world.
    Just see, how it destroyed an old civilisation in Iraq. It is threatening to wipe out Iran.
    PTI.

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    India to get Russian nuclear submarine after 17 yr wait


    [*******#0062af]Moscow, July 3: [/COLOR]India will get its first Akula class Russian nuclear submarine in 2009, equipping its navy with the quietest and lethal underwater war machine after a gap of 17 years to enhance its blue water capabilities.

    Factory trials of the multi-role nuclear submarine, christened INS Chakra which India-will get on a 10-year-lease, commenced on June 11 at the Komsomolsk-on-Amur shipyard and will be followed by sea trials, Russian defence sources said, adding it will be delivered by September 2009.
    According to experts, Chakra would help India fill the void caused by the delays in the indigenous Advanced Technology Vessel project to build a nuclear powered, guided missile attack submarine.
    Three Indian naval crews for the nuclear submarine have already been trained at the specially set up training centre in Sosnovy Bor near St. Petersburg.
    This facility would also be used for training crews for the Indian nuclear submarines of ATV project currently in the advanced stages of development, sources said.
    Though they said that India has financed the completion of construction of submarine of project 971 "Shchuka B"(NATO codename Akula) under the USD 650 million deal signed in 2004 as part of the larger Gorshkov package, they did not reveal the cost of the lease of Chakra.
    Akula (Shark) is the quietest Russian attack submarine and Chakra has been christened after its predecessor leased by the Indian Navy in 1988 from the erstwhile USSR. In January 1988, ex-USSR had leased K-43 nuclear submarine of project 670 (NATO codename Charlie) which was with the Indian Navy as INS Chakra till March 1991, when under the intense US pressure beleaguered Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev had refused to extend the lease.

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    Quote Originally Posted by damagejackal View Post
    I don't really understand why you Indian Nationalists are so Anti-China.
    Nowadays I see hundreds of Indian IT professionals working in Shanghai + Beijing, You both are experiencing phenomenal economic growth an share a similar religion. I was visiting south China not long ago, an within 10 years it will be possible to drive from Kunming to Calcutta on a modern, high-speed road.
    So with all this projected economic prosperity to be shared I can't understand why, other than some strange self fullfilling prophecy, you think war is inevitable. I understand the need to help balance the power of China in the region but it seems like your acting more an more in America's foreign policy interests...

    Anyways here's my contribution

    N-deal a pretext to make India an US outpost against China:CPI

    Sat, Jun 14 03:29 PM
    New Delhi, Jun 14 (PTI) The civilian nuclear deal is a pretext by the United States to make India its "outpost" in the region to check the growth of China, CPI general secretary A B Bardhan said today. The CPI leader alleged the US was adopting various means to draw the country into the controversial deal.
    "The US is adopting various means to draw the country into a strategic partnership. They have a purpose, an aim.
    It wants India to act as its outpost in the region to counter balance China," he said. Bardhan, the leader of one of the four Left parties providing crucial outside support to the UPA, said his party did not believe in the US idea of "balancing of power".
    "We want India and China to stay together. We do not want confrontation with them as it is not best for the interest of the country and the region," he said.
    Claiming that the US was trying to impose its agenda across the world, he noted that America was interfering in every part of the world. "The US is imposing its unilateral policies across the world.
    Just see, how it destroyed an old civilisation in Iraq. It is threatening to wipe out Iran.
    PTI.
    That is exactly how we got caught with our pants down in 1962, trusting the chinese. Personally no one has anything against or for the chinese. They are economic competitors as is rest of the world. Indian has to be prepared as eventually things will come to a head.Chinese goods flooding Indian markets, India starts dominating in a region the chinese don't like etc.. This time it won't be a long protracted war but rather short intense skirmishes, hence the cold start doctrine which was initially developed to deal with the pakistani's and now will be applied here.

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    Indian AEW&C system to become operational by 2011

    DRDO to use Embraer Platform for early Warning Systems

    In a path breaking development, India and Brazil have entered into a deal to jointly develop an Early Warning System for the Indian Air Force. The agreement was signed here today by Dr. S Christopher, Director, Centre for Airborne Systems (CABS), DRDO, and Mr. Luis Carlos Aguiar, Executive Vice President (Defence and Govt. Market)...



    http://pib.nic.in/release/release.asp?relid=40044
    But that picture you are showing is the Swedish Erieye that Brazil uses on EMB-145 right? Or are India gonna buy Erieye despite the fact Pakistan has just bought them?


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    We are using the Embarer platform, to put OUR own radar there, developed by CABS and DRDO. That is the one of the few possible config for a lean aircraft as the E-145. Pakistan i s using SAAB aircraft, and Erieye Radar system. They might both look alike physically but are completely differnet system. E-145 AEW will work in tandem with our IL-76 MKI Phalcon AESA AWACS.

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    Sheroo has explained quite well. China and thier expansionist policies have direct bearing on our National bounderies,and our ability be a Super power. We have decided to take them head on, and we will succeed.

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    Defence Ministry to expand capabilities of navy

    Kochi, Jul 2 (PTI) The Defence Ministry has decided to expand the capabilities of the navy.
    "The Indian Ocean can become a hotbed of hostilities. Keeping this in mind the Defence Ministry has decided to expand the capabilities of the navy," Union minister of state for Defence M M Pallam Raju said here today.

    Speaking at a function of Bharat Electronics Limited, the minister said, "the movement of submarines of other countries in the region is yet another cause of concern. There are naval build-ups in our neighbourhood of which we need to be guarded against." Raju hailed Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) as a "great storehouse for a multitude of technologies". PTI
    http://www.ptinews.com/pti/ptisite.n...1?OpenDocument

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    Every day I hear about more and more deals and developments in India.
    This country is on a rush to become a super-power.

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    along with the Advanced (Block 60+) F-16E/F from Lockheed Martin, Rafale and Typhoon.

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    Gripen Next Generation (proposed variant for India seen here). Image: Gripen International)
    http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs...0-4bfc5070d377

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    RoyB,

    Our Pencil Pushers are the worst in the world, and we have the worst time and project managers in the world, Success of a nation is getting its objectives in a timely manner. I highly doubt India can do that. The Chinese are ahead here. We also only spend 1.98% of our GDP,. ie $27.6 Billion; We plan to double that by next year to $40 billion

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