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But there is no news of Rafale or Dassault. Silent. Have they already given up?
I wouldn't count out Dassault. Iirc the French offered 100% ToT and to have the SNECMA/GTRE (DRDO) lovechild installed in the Rafales. Commonality of engines in MMRCA, LCA and possibly even MCA would have huge logistical and economical benefits.
Pundit,
But there is no news of Rafale or Dassault. Silent. Have they already given up?
Maybe they just chose to campaign directly to those that make the decisions instead of doing the media circus ?
Well I sincerely hope so, I am great fan of that bird, and I expect the Frenchie's to offer a great deal more than anybody else, especially considering they are desperate in terms of the Rafale sales.
MIG 35
F-16IN (Similar to Block 60 UAE)
EADS EuroFighter
SAAB Gripen NG
Boeing F-18 E/F Super Hornet
Dassault Rafale
Rafale by far looks the best!!!!!!
What? F-16 looks the bestOriginally Posted by Adux
From what I can tell the new Gripen NG has the more flexible centerline for weapons (3 heavy wet stations) with little height, lenght and depth obstruction for one or more weapons.
That pic shows 2x2000lb GBU but it could also use one weapon on the middle pylon or three of a smaller kind (1000 lbs or less) across the centreline. (Or two twin store carriers for 4 stations). And no need to waste a station for a LDP...
Is that at all valuable in the tender ? (to support some new weapon in development for instance) or will SU-30MKI do all the heavy stuff?
Great pictures!
US, Russia, France
Well, our esteemed neighbours are getting them. I dont think we will buy them for sure. thankfully.What? F-16 looks the best
Singatory,
News on the grapewine.
90% propability for India to increase the orders to 200. As specualted before it isnt for the Navy but for the Airforce itself. The Navy is going to standardize with MiG-29K and N-LCA.
Su-30 MKI, is on its Mark - 1 stage, it will go through further updates all the way till Mark-3 updates, which will begin around the construction of aircraft number 180-190 above. As far as I know there are nearly a 100 Su-30MKI operating in India now. So I expect more weapon updates.
You should look at what MMRCA is replacing. It is replacing the MiG-23, and later on the MiG-27(IAF men think this the best Russian jet in their inventory other than the MKI), Jaguars. Their main role is Strike, Therefore heavy weapons (cruise missiles, heavy bombs etc) are top priority.
This is the are SuperHornet holds strong grounds, Strike. Yet it has short legs. I wouldnt much detailed stuff into this, maybe you could explain it a bit more better, on which aircraft will do better in Strike Role.
There is going to be 230 Su-30 MKI, 126 MMRCA (+74), 84 Jags, 40 LCA, 55 bMirages2000(upg to 2005), 66 MiG-29(upg), 165 MiG-27
Thanks, OK I need to read up details on the IAF MIG-23, MIG-27 and Jags, especially the IAF Jags since I think they got a avionics upgrade the European ones never got (?)...
Probably shouldn't talk too much about the other candidatesMaybe it's worth to look at what these jets might actually carry with all the required sensors and extra fuel fitted to the jets... also consider G-force and AoA restrictions when you start adding to the wings... most of these jets can only carry something heavy (drop tanks or 2000lbs bombs) on inner-wing stores and the centreline, then use gradually lighter loads as you go out on the wing. So if you need to put extra fuel and a LDP up there, what kind of weapons can you still use ? It's not always so obvious...
Everyone got an opinion...
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Opinion: Gripen hard to beat in Indian MMRCA contest
By Craig Caffrey
05 August 2008
While there is no shortage of fighter aircraft procurement programmes currently under way, the most eagerly anticipated contest is undoubtedly India's medium multirole combat aircraft (MMRCA) requirement for at least 126 aircraft.
The six contenders have now submitted their proposals: Boeing's F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, Dassault's Rafale, Eurofighter's Typhoon, Lockheed Martin's F-16, Russian Aircraft Corporation's (RAC's) MiG with the MiG-35 and the Saab JAS 39 Gripen. Arguably each aircraft stands a fighting chance of securing the lucrative USD10 billion contract.
India continues to have a close relationship with Dassault, which supplied the Indian Air Force (IAF) with Mirage 2000 fighters in the 1980s. However, given the IAF's emphasis on future upgrades for its MMRCA aircraft, the lack of operators of the Rafale is likely to be seen as a significant issue.
The Rafale and the Typhoon could also struggle with the issue of cost. Both are relatively large twin-engined platforms, which will significantly increase operating costs compared with the single-engined MiG-21 fleet it will replace.
The MiG-35 is seen by many as a strong contender. India has a very close relationship with Russia, which has provided the majority of its equipment over the past 30 years. However, over the past year India's relationship with Russia with regards to arms contracts has soured.
The two US contenders seem well placed in terms of price and capability as India seeks to establish closer military bonds with Washington. However the F-16 is hindered by the fact that Pakistan already operates the type. Furthermore the aircraft is already being phased out by the US Air Force.
The Boeing Super Hornet does not suffer from these issues. However, one unresolved issue with regards to both US platforms is the authorisation of technology transfer.
Saab holds a strong hand with the Gripen. The aircraft is single engined, which will keep operating costs low, upgrades are already being defined under the Gripen Demonstrator programme and acquisition costs are highly competitive.
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http://www.janes.com/news/defence/bu...0805_1_n.shtml
Signatory,
The Current Jaguar fleet has been upgraded with Elta 2032, quite a lot of new avionics and not to mention mid-refuel probe. I disagree with the author on MiG-35, Indian Airforce has always maintained 60%(Russian) 40(French-British) Fighters. Since we never had the capability to build'em ourseleves, it is Strategic Sense 101 to make sure that NO ONE country has the capacity to pull the plug on your Airforce. So if we take Russian Fighter for MRCA, that would make near 100% Russian Fighter fleet(when the Jags and Mirages retire); NOT HAPPENING; especially since PAK-FA is coming in along with more Sukhoi's. India is looking for new capabilities, we have everything Russia gotta offer now we are looking at the West. India is technology hungry.
What do you think of this EADS parntership offer, I know Herman would be better placed to talk about it yet. What is THIS parntership offer? IS it Spain-UK-Germany-India? I dont expect the EADS to insult us by giving the same package as the Saudi's. They know better than that.
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