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    General Electric, the world's biggest maker of energy- generation equipment, said Aug. 25 that it may lose contracts in India to French, Russian and Japanese rivals if Congress doesn't ratify a U.S.-India nuclear deal soon after the agreement wins approval from the Suppliers Group.

    Rice said the U.S. has talked to India about the potential competitive disadvantage.

    ``I think they recognize and appreciate American leadership on this issue,'' she said. ``Because of that I think we'll have ways to talk them about not disadvantaging American companies.''
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    By Neelam Mathews/New Delhi mathews.neelam@gmail.com

    Prospective vendors submitted their offsets package Aug. 4 for India's Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) program.

    The proposal was submitted in response to the MMRCA request for proposals (RFPs), which asked all competitors to provide an "industrial participation" (IP) plan as part of their offering.

    The RFP for the 126-aircraft MMRCA program went out to Boeing, Eurofighter, Gripen, Lockheed Martin, MiG and Rafale, and the companies submitted their bids in April.

    Lockheed said its offer included a wide range of projects including investment, manufacturing, export creation and joint development.

    "Lockheed Martin is committed to working with our industrial partners and Indian defense industry to develop long-term, high-value projects that bring technology and sustainable business to India," said Orville Prins, a Lockheed vice president for business development.

    The giant contractor, based outside Washington, D.C., is touting its history of having established four F-16 production lines outside of the United States as one of its selling points. It says it has achieved over $37 billion in offset program credits in 40 countries - "all without default or penalty. A proven cornerstone of these programs is the ability to provide transfer of technology to program partners."

    Boeing claims it has a formidable industrial lineup that includes a supplier team of 16 leading aerospace and defense companies with combined revenues of over $454 billion, as well as 37 public- and private-sector Indian companies.

    Earlier this year, Boeing reached agreement to form a joint venture with Tata Industries Ltd. Last year, it reached another deal with Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd, which is adopting Boeing's "Lean" and best-management practices. Boeing has also signed an agreement with international engineering firm Larsen & Toubro for joint exploration of business opportunities in the Indian defense market.

    "We are already establishing the groundwork that will lead us to success in this large undertaking through early engagement of Indian industry, both public and private," said Vivek Lall, Boeing Integrated Defense Systems vice president and India country head.

    Not to be left behind, EADS said it understands the importance of industrial co-operation associated with defense acquisition programs. "This is particulary true...where the industrial collaboration can decisively contribute to further shaping the future of the Indian defense industry", said Bernhard Gerwert, chief executive of military air systems.

    EADS and its Eurofighter partners have signed over 20 memorandums of understanding with key Indian defense companies.

    "Earlier this year we invited India to become a member of the successful Eurofighter family. Today I want to repeat this message: India is our partner of choice and we are interested in long-lasting and mutually beneficial political, industrial and military relations, based on...true partnership," said Gerwert in a statement.

    Aug 4, 2008 :: AWST :: India Reviews Offsets For Fighter Program

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    DATE:27/08/08
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    By Siva Govindasamy

    Indian companies are reaping rich rewards from the country's military modernisation programme, with the private sector increasingly competing with established players like Hindustan Aeronautics for highly lucrative contracts in the coming years.

    Foreign companies must reinvest 30-50% of the value of the contracts in India, and air force deals alone could result in an estimated $15-20 billion in offsets over the next decade.

    "The government is keen to acquire the latest technology and benefit the local economy through these contracts," says an Indian observer.

    BIGGEST PRIZE

    The biggest deal is a $10-12 billion multirole combat aircraft competition, in which the successful bidder faces a 50% offset requirement.

    The Boeing F/A-18E/F, Dassault Rafale, Eurofighter Typhoon, Lockheed Martin F-16, the RSK MiG-35 and Saab Gripen are all in the fray for the 126-aircraft deal.

    New Delhi is also keen to buy 197 military light utility helicopters for $750 million and 22 attack helicopters for $500 million, has ordered six Lockheed C-130J transports, and will imminently confirm deals for the Boeing P-8I Poseidon maritime patrol aircraft and 80 new Mil Mi-17-IV multirole helicopters.

    HAL, which has had more success with licence-production than the development of its own aircraft, will continue to benefit, say observers. It will manufacture 108 of the fighters that India orders under the MRCA competition, making it a key partner for the bidders. Last year, it also signed a deal with Boeing that could see the US company outsource around $1 billion worth of manufacturing work over 10 years.

    Its orderbooks are heavy with the licence-production of the BAE Systems Hawk advanced jet trainer and Sukhoi Su-30 fighter, and it will work with Russia on a medium transport aircraft and fifth-generation fighter. "HAL is the only company in India with dedicated aircraft manufacturing facilities, and so it is the logical partner for most aerospace companies," says the New Delhi-based source.

    PRIVATE CHALLENGERS

    HAL faces a challenge from private companies, after India issued licences to companies such as Tata Group and Larsen & Toubro to produce defence items. Software houses such as Infotech and Wipro are also keen to build their defence business.

    After being limited to supplying raw materials, components or design technology for many years, these companies are looking for a bigger share of the pie.

    Tata, with its experience in manufacturing and engineering, is the likeliest challenger to HAL as a lead systems integrator. In May, it signed a deal with Israel Aerospace Industries to develop and produce a range of military products. It has also signed agreements with Boeing and EADS.

    "It will not be surprising if Tata outbids some of the established government-owned companies on its way to securing some big-ticket contracts from the MoD," says Laxman Kumar Behera, an associate fellow at the Institute for Defence Studies and Analyses in New Delhi.

    L&T will also partner foreign companies in the MRCA competition, and has been working with the Defence Research and Development Organisation for several years on new defence products. The opening up of the defence sector will primarily benefit its heavy engineering division, which has "good prospects in the short to medium term", adds the company. It has constructed a new strategic systems complex to integrate and test weapon systems, sensors and engineering systems, and is setting up a precision manufacturing facility for defence products.

    Given the emergence of India's IT industry, it is no surprise that Wipro, India's third largest software company, looks to get in on the act. It is setting up units for electronic warfare systems, radars, flight-control systems, flight simulators and engine systems for companies like BAE Systems, Lockheed and Northrop Grumman.

    "Revenues from defence are small, but the big revenues will start flowing from the middle to the end of 2009," says Sudip Nandy, chief executive of telecom and product engineering services at Wipro.

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    India’s MMRCA Fighter Competition

    06-Aug-2008 12:35 EDT
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    “It’s the biggest fighter aircraft deal since the early 1990s,” said Boeing’s Mark Kronenberg, who runs the company’s Asia/Pacific business. DID has offered ongoing coverage of India’s planned multi-billion dollar jet fighter buy, from its early days as a contest between Dassault, Saab, and MiG for a 126 plane order to the entry of American competitors and even EADS’ Eurofighter. What began as a lightweight fighter competition to replace India’s shrinking MiG-21 interceptor fleet appears to have bifurcated into two categories now, and two expense tiers.
    That trend got a sharp boost in March 2006, when Press Trust of India (PTI) reported a surprise pullout by the CEO of Dassault on the eve of the RFP. The Mirage 2000v5 will no longer be fielded for the India deal, even though India already flies 40 Mirage 2000Ds, and its senior officials have touted standardization as a plus factor. So, what’s going on?
    In a word, lots. The participants changed, India’s view of its own needs is changing, and the nature of the order may be changing as well – but with the release of the official $10 billion RFP, the competition can begin at last. DID offers an in-depth look at the MRCA/MMRCA competition’s changes, the RFP, and the competitors; and also offers an updated timeline regarding competitive moves since this article was published in March 2006.

    The RFP responses were submitted in April 2008. So far, 3 of the 6 invited bidders have submitted their correspondng industrial offset proposals, which are coming due…
    India’s MRCA (Multi-Role Combat Aircraft): Changes


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    The original intent of India’s fighter purchase was to replace hundreds of non-upgraded MiG-21s that India will be forced to retire, with a complementary force of 126 aircraft that would fit between India’s high end Su-30MKIs and its low-end Tejas LCA lightweight fighter. While plans to develop a “fifth generation fighter” in conjunction with Russia have received a lot of press, they are uncertain at best, address a different requirement, and offer no solution to the immediate problem of shrinking squadron numbers as existing aircraft are forced into retirement.
    India is a large country, with coverage needs over a wide area (see map of airbases in “Order of Battle”) and on several fronts. One of which is Pakistan, whose JF-17 joint fighter program with China has India’s attention. The IAF currently has 30-32 squadrons worth of serviceable aircraft, depending on which report one reads. This is well below their target of 39 1/2. About 21 squadrons currently fly MiG-21s of one vintage or another, and overalll squadron strength is projected to plunge to 27 during the 2012-2017 period.
    Lightweight multi-role fighters that could make up for declining aircraft numbers with broader and better capabilities would appear to fit that need, and India’s initial shortlist followed that template. The Mirage 2000 and MiG-29 were already in service with India in this role, and the JAS-39 Gripen offered a 4th generation aircraft whose costs and profile place it firmly in the lightweight fighter category. These aircraft served as a hedge against the potential failure of the Tejas lightweight Combat Aircraft project, and also offered a more immediate solution to plussing up numbers as existing MiG-21s and MiG-23s/MiG-27s were forced into retirement.
    Since those early days, sharply improved relations with the USA have introduced a pair of American planes into the competition, and India’s view of its own needs is changing. Official sources told Jane’s in February 2006 that RFPs would be issued to France’s Dassault (Mirage 2000-5 and Rafale), BAE/Saab (JAS-39 Gripen), EADS/BAE (Eurofighter Typhoon), The American firms Lockheed (F-16 Block 70) and Boeing (F/A-18 E/F Super Hornet), and Russia’s Rosonboronexport (MiG-29OVT with thrust vectoring, aka. MiG-35). That proved to be the case.
    India’s requirements are also changing. For instance, both Jane’s Defence Weekly and Defense Industry Daily have covered India’s wish to ‘significantly’ augment their strike capability and range to deal with out-of-area contingencies. This has delayed the MRCA RFP. Another contributor to these delays has been the need to refine and clarify the new industrial offset rules introduced in 2005, amidst lobbying by American defense firms.
    MMRCA: The RFP, Please…
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    India’s defense procurement process is definitely a game for the patient, and this was no exception. The Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) RFP caps a process that began in 2001, when the IAF sent out its request for information (RFI) for 126 jets. After delays lasting almost 2 years beyond the planned December 2005 issue date, India’s Ministry of Defence finally announced a formal Request for Proposal on Aug 28/07.
    The RFP announcement estimated the program at 126 Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA), at a cost of Rs. 42,000 crores (about $10.24 billion as of the RFP date, or about $81.3 million per fighter). The 211-page document includes clauses for initial purchase, transfer of technology, licensed production, and life-time maintenance support for the aircraft. Under the terms of purchase, the first 18 aircraft will come in a ‘fly away’ condition, while the remaining 108 will be manufactured under Transfer of Technology. Some reports add an option for an additional 64 aircraft on the same terms, bringing the total to 190 aircraft; DID is attempting to confirm this.
    The vendors now have 6 months to submit their proposals. Selection will involve an exhaustive evaluation process as detailed in the Defence Procurement Procedures (DPP) 2006. First, submitted proposals will be technically evaluated by a professional team to check for compliance with IAF’s operational requirements and other RFP conditions. Extensive field trials would be carried out to evaluate the performance. Finally, the commercial proposal of the vendors, short-listed after technical and field evaluations, would be examined and compared. The defence ministry’s Contract Negotiation Committee (CNC) would then hold discussions with the vendors before identifying the manufacturer whose bid is the best, and submit its report to the defence minister, who would forward it to the finance minister. After the file returns to the defence ministry, it goes for final approval to the cabinet committee on security (CCS).
    The entire selection process is likely to take at least 2 1/2 years, followed by lengthy price negotiations, and probably including delays along the way. Most observers believe that delivery of any aircraft before 2013 is unlikely.
    The vendor who finally wins the competition would also be required to undertake 50% offset obligations in India, a boost from the usual 30% under India’s recently revised procurement rules for purchases over $70 million. India is looking for a large boost to its aerospace and defense electronics industries from this effort, and the RFP release adds that “Foreign vendors would be provided great flexibility in effecting tie up with Indian partners for this purpose.” It also says that:
    “The aircraft are likely to be in service for over 40 years. Great care has been taken to ensure that only determinable factors, which do not lend themselves to any subjectivity, are included in the commercial selection model. The selection would be transparent and fair….
    It may be recalled that the Defence Minister Shri A K Antony while chairing the Defence Acquisition Council Meeting on June 29, 2007 had outlined three guiding principles for this procurement scheme.
    First, the operational requirements of IAF should be fully met. Second, the selection process should be competitive, fair and transparent, so that best value for money is realized. Lastly, Indian defence industries should get an opportunity to grow to global scales.”
    These days, even American competitions are increasingly finding themselves beset by quasi-legal challenges of evaluation methods, and even of their chosen criteria. Witness the hold-ups created for the CSAR-X helicopter competition, Joint Cargo Aircraft, ITES-2 I.T. contract, et. al. Indian competitions have featured these sorts of post-contract obstacles even more consistently, with the addition of bureaucratic delays and corruption charges thrown into the mix. Time will tell if the objectives of the MoD’s RFP are met, or if a process of waiting almost 6 years for an RFP, and then years more for a winner, is only the beginning of the process.
    Even as India’s existing fighter fleet continues to wear out, and China and Pakistan’s fleets continue to grow.
    The Competitors: Analysis
    F-16F “Desert Falcon”
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    Recent changes in India’s needs and the contest participants are changing the relative rankings of the contenders. Geopolitical considerations are also intruding, as most of these choices have the potential to improve relations with an important potential ally. As noted above, standardization arguments will also carry weight. India’s Air Force currently operates 26 different types of aircraft, and India is not eager to add to its support headaches.
    Rather than predict, DID will simply summarize the strengths and weaknesses of the listed competitors. These aircraft also group into two very different categories: single engine lightweight fighters in the $25-40 million flyaway range (F-16 Falcon, JAS-39 Gripen, MiG-35, Mirage 2000-5); and larger dual-engine mid-range fighters in the $55-70 million flyaway range (Eurofighter, F/A-18 Super Hornet, Rafale).
    Lightweight Fighters
    F-16 Fighting Falcon (Lockheed, USA). Presumably, Lockheed’s “Block 70” offering would be an upgraded version of the F-16E Block 60 “Desert Falcon” currently serving with the UAE. Strengths include the widest multi-role capability among lightweight fighters; its AN/APG-80 AESA radar; the addition of integrated IRST capability; the widest choice of proven avionics and weapon systems; a long record of proven service so all issues are known; and widespread compatibility with potential allies in Asia and the Middle East who also fly F-16s. The combination of an AESA radar on a less expensive platform is also good news for cruise missile defense efforts, if that’s considered a priority.
    Even so, the Indian Air Force has never seemed very interested in the F-16. Weaknesses include the fact that Pakistan also flies F-16s; the fact it’s a new aircraft type so the entire support infrastructure would have to be developed; and the difficulty Lockheed would have complying with industrial offset provisions given their lack of penetration in India. The MMRCA RFP’s delays may have helped Lockheed Martin by allowing them ample time to find arrangements with Indian firms, and there are reports that the USA is pushing this option because of the reassurance factor. While an F-16 E/F Block 60+ would have a number of important advantages over Pakistan F-16 A/Bs and even its new Block 50/52 aircraft, the common underlying aircraft type would probably take some of the edge off of the deal from Pakistan’s point of view.
    JAS-39s in South Africa
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    JAS-39 Gripen (Saab, Sweden; marketed by Britain’s BAE). The Gripen is a true 4th+ generation lightweight fighter and significantly more capable than category competitors like the F-16 and Mirage 2000, though the MiG-35 may give it a run for the money. Other strengths include a wide choice of integrated weapons and pods; reasonable purchase cost; the fact that it has also been designed for exceptional cost of ownership; and the ability operate from roads instead of runways if necessary.
    The JAS-39’s drawbacks include its short range; the fact it’s a new aircraft type for the IAF; and a low volume of international orders to date that raises questions about the platform’s ability to modernize over the next 30-40 years.
    As an interesting side note, the JAS-39 A-D models’ use of a modified GE F404 engine indicates that it could be modifiable to use India’s Kaveri engine. After all, the Tejas LCA will also use F404 engines until Kaveri is ready as a substitute, if indeed it ever is. The next-generation Gripen Demo model Saab is now offering prospective customers uses the GE F414G engine as its base, however, and is likely to need a higher level of engine performance than the existing Kaveri project can deliver. Gripen Demo also begins to address the aircraft’s range limitations, and would include an AESA radar among its other enhancements.
    With respect to industrial offsets, Saab usually handles industrial offsets via its automotive group, which could represent either a difficulty or a market opportunity for the company. The Gripen’s acceptance carries no spin-off geopolitical benefits, however, and that last weakness may prove to be the plane’s most critical hindrance in this competition.
    MiG-29OVT/-35
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    MiG-29OVT, aka. MiG-35 (Rosonboronexport, Russia). This modified MiG-29 includes improved radar and avionics that give it multi-role capability, extra fuel in a new aircraft “spine,” and thrust-vectoring engines a la India’s SU-30MKIs. Strengths include compatibility with the existing and future MiG-29 fleet, and its ability to carry advanced Russian missiles already in service like the revolutionary AA-11/R-73 Archer and longer range AA-12/R-77 “AMRAAMski.” The presence of MiG-29 infrastructure and a new plant for license-building RD-33 Series III engines in India also makes compliance with industrial offset requirements easier.
    The MiG-29’s biggest weaknesses were short range, engines that produce telltale smoke (very bad in air combat) and lack of true multi-role capability; the MiG-35 largely fixes these issues, and may even add an AESA radar of its own if Phazotron-NIIR can have its new Zhuk-MAE ready in time. Technology sharing and co-production are also considered to be strengths; as one Indian officer put it: “Russians have their problems of delayed projects and unreliable spare supply but they give access to everything, unlike the Americans.” He’s referring to the IAF’s not-so-great experience with India’s existing MiG-29s, which have had maintenance problems in addition to their other deficits.
    Remaining weaknesses in the MiG-35 bid include difficulties India is having with Russian firms over the refit of its new carrier, and over its orders for SU-30MKIs. There is also legitimate speculation about the future viability of the MiG-29 family platform, which has been eclipsed in many ways by the SU-30. Although Algeria’s $1.8 billion order has helped, some industry observers have forecast that without a win in India, the platform may have a difficult future ahead of it.
    Tejas LCA
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    Mirage 2000-5 (Dassault). Withdrawn. Industry analyst Richard Aboulafia points out that the history of global fighter purchases shows strong clustering at the lower-price end of the market; shutting down Mirage 2000 production would shut Dassault out of that niche. A Mirage 2000 entry would have had strengths that included compatibility with Mirage 2000s already in service, which performed very well in the 1999 Kargil skirmishes. An infrastructure already exists for industrial offsets, and its low end price could be raised along with its capabilities by adding equipment developed in the Rafale program.
    The Mirage 2000’s potential performance similarity to the Tejas LCA project was both its weakness and its strength. One the one hand, that would have made it a good insurance policy if confidence in the Tejas fell. On the other hand, it may not have been seen as adding enough to the force mix if confidence in the Tejas program is high.
    Tejas LCA (HAL et. al., India). A lightweight, indigenously-developed fighter aircraft expected to enter service around 2010. Currently in testing using GE’s F404 engine, while the accompanying Kaveri jet engine project remains in the R&D stage and has been forced to find foreign design help. The Tejas is not an MRCA competitor – but its development plans, the confidence in its success, its ability to stay under $25 million, the potential for a naval variant, et. al. will have a behind-the-curtains influence on every MRCA decision. See DID’s in-depth coverage of the Tejas LCA program for more.
    http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...changes-01989/

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    Forces ready with joint amphibious warfare doctrine

    NEW DELHI: Right from the days of Normandy and other landings during World War II, amphibious operations have played a crucial part in modern day warfare.

    Though late in the making, the Indian armed forces are now ready with their own amphibious warfare doctrine to take the battle to enemy shores. The "joint doctrine for amphibious operations" will be released by the chiefs of staff committee, comprising Admiral Sureesh Mehta, Air Chief Marshal F H Major and General Deepak Kapoor, on September 9, said sources.

    The doctrine has been prepared after four years of hard work by the integrated defence staff (IDS), which even saw Army, Navy and IAF conducting two "major" amphibious exercises in 2005 and 2007 to "test and validate" some of its concepts.

    "The glitches in the doctrine were then ironed out. It will now serve as a guide for the planning and conduct of amphibious operations, achieving full synergy in the joint combat power of the three Services," said a source.

    The whole direction of a war, after all, can be changed with one properly planned and well-executed amphibious operation, which is basically a military operation launched from the sea with soldiers embarked on ships to effect a landing on a hostile shore.

    The Army, incidentally, already has two specifically-earmarked "amphibious brigades", with almost 10,000 soldiers, one based at Thiruvananthapuram, and the other at Andaman and Nicobar Islands.

    The Navy's "strategic sealift capability", in turn, got a big boost with the induction of the huge 16,900-tonne amphibious transport warship INS Jalashwa , known as the USS Trenton earlier, from US in 2007.

    The 173-metre long INS Jalashwa , the second largest Indian warship after the 28,000-tonne aircraft carrier INS Viraat , can transport four landing craft, six helicopters and a battalion of 900-1,000 fully-armed soldiers over long distances.

    "The IAF comes in since an amphibious operation will require air cover to warships and landing platform docks carrying soldiers, which are at their most vulnerable during landings," said a senior officer.

    "Amphibious operations, which are inherently mobile and flexible, are probably the most complex of all military manoeuvres. They require all types of warships, aircraft, weapons, landing and special forces acting in a well-oiled concerted manner to establish beachheads," he added.
    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/Forces_ready_with_joint_amphibious_warfare_doctrine/articleshow/3453589.cms

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alfacentori View Post
    Australia has a large Indian migrant population, can't say I have heard of any anti Indian sentiment here, although as Adux says our PM does seem to be in love with China atm.

    Alfa
    I was referring to the Australian government. As if NSG waiver is not enough Australia has refused to sell Uranium to India unless India signs CTBT. There is some sort of arrogance in policies of Australia towards India. I have been vindicated again.

    Quote Originally Posted by Supe View Post
    NZ/Australia Govt are not 'anti-Indian'. No tinfoil hat conspiracies here please. Political decision made regards India are taken within a context of our obligations to treaties and to our own national interest. Which will not always align with India (or for that matter China).
    NZ/Australia are western centric countries. I have followed their policies for many years. I inferred that their overall attitude towards India is very arrogant. They harbor a biased view towards India which they have inherited from Britain. May be their general attitude towards India could change in coming years because of good relations of India with western countries specially with USA.

    Quote Originally Posted by Supe View Post
    ...and what does being 'Baptist/Roman Catholic' have to to with anything? No politician (whatever their religion or belief) in Australia approaches Indian relations with a religious view. Our politicians tend to respect that India is by and large a democracy.
    I was only hatching conspiracy theories and asking for other peoples view about that. Thanks for your inputs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VAMAN View Post
    I was referring to the Australian government. As if NSG waiver is not enough Australia has refused to sell Uranium to India unless India signs CTBT. There is some sort of arrogance in policies of Australia towards India. I have been vindicated again.
    Arrogance in policy? Why? Because the Aus Govt takes a position that Indian Govt does not like? This is a child like conclusion. The new Govt under Labor made the decision as an election promise to withdraw the bulk of the Army from Iraq. Though the U.S Govt probably would have liked to see the ADF redeploy from Al-Muthanna into 'the Surge' it respected the Aus Govt decision to withdraw some of our forces. Do you understand? You can agree to disagree and not allow it to affect important relationships. A point that Adux missed. This nonsense about arrogance or conspiracy theories suggesting a China motive is fantasy. It's quite quite grating.

    NZ/Australia are western centric countries. I have followed their policies for many years. I inferred that their overall attitude towards India is very arrogant. They harbor a biased view towards India which they have inherited from Britain. May be their general attitude towards India could change in coming years because of good relations of India with western countries specially with USA.
    Attitude. At the Govt level? Perhaps 40 years ago there was a sense of 'superiority' directed at India but this has long since been re-assessed by various Govts throughout the years as pollies and advisors have become more sophisticated in outlook and much less parochial. And in recent years, the public too. Things are changing in India and so is the perception. I think anyone who has been paying attention for the last decade has noticed it.

    The only negative most folks have about India is whenever they have to deal with a call centre or in the past, Indian telemarketers.

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    Default Latest on MBT Arjun - All dressed up and no takers!

    Space is at a premium at the Heavy Vehicles Factory (HVF) in Avadi on the outskirts of Chennai. But these are no ordinary motor cars which need parking. Rows of battle tanks lie jammed, spilling out of the factory premises. Parking a monster that is the size of a city bus but at 60 tonne weighs heavier than a railway coach, is no easy task.
    Ordnance Factory Board (OFB) officials have asked for parking space at the nearby Combat Vehicles R&D Establishment (CVRDE) that designed the tank, even as they worry about sheltering their monsters and its electronics from the elements.
    In the past four years, over 90 Arjun main battle tanks have rolled off the production line that made India's first indigenous tank-part of an order for 124 tanks that was placed six years ago.
    In late August this year, the army completed nearly a year of what it calls Accelerated User *** Reliability Trials (AUCRT) and somewhat unprecedented, extended trials in the desert of Rajasthan.
    Trials that tested the three characteristics of any battle tank-firepower, mobility and protection. From all accounts the tank finally morphed from a white elephant into an extreme battle machine worthy of its moniker.
    So far 15 Pre-Production Series (PPS) tanks have completed a cumulative 80,000 km, or the equivalent of two trips around the world, and fired over 8,000 rounds.


    The Arjun tank

    Two tanks covering over 6,000 km or nearly twice the distance they are supposed to cover in 10 years. Now, the army is poring over the trial reports to decide whether the crowded tank lot at Avadi will equip at least three of the army's 61 armoured regiments.

    There's just a catch. The army has ****ounced its verdict. It wants more tanks-armoured fists that are used to punch through enemy lines and an essential component of its Cold Start battle strategy-but it does not want the Arjun.
    Speaking at a recent CII seminar on the Future Main Battle Tank (FMBT), Lt General Dalip Bharadwaj, director general, Mechanised Forces said the army will not place orders for Arjun beyond the 124 already on order because it is "now looking 20 years ahead and wants a futuristic MBT".
    His predecessor, Lt General (retd.) K.D.S. Shekhawat is blunter. "The DRDO does not want to own up, the Arjun is based on the German Army's Leopard-1 design which entered service in the mid-1960s. It outlived its life over a decade ago.
    Today, every tank in the world, including the Leopard-2 and T-90, have sloped turrets (to reduce the impact of a hit) but the Arjun still continues with the rectangular turret."
    The DRDO is combative and not only because the project is the baby of the current chief M. Natarajan. "The Arjun can handle all present and future threats," says the DRDO.
    This war of words between the army and DRDO could well be among the penultimate chapters in the long sad story of a saga that began with the army placing General Staff Qualitative Requirement (GSQR) for an indigenous tank in May 1974.
    The project was to cost Rs 15.50 crore and to be completed in a decade. The first production model of 'Chetak', as it was then called, which rolled out in 1984, was wisely renamed the Arjun.
    Plagued by technical glitches—its European electronics did not work in the searing circuit—melting 50 degree heat of the Thar desert-the final production series tank was not delivered until 1995 or a decade after the original deadline.


    Arjun tanks at the Heavy Vehicles Factory in Chennai

    Perhaps the DRDO strategically overreached itself on this project as it had on several others. It agreed to deliver everything on the tank when it should have gone in for a no-frills Mark 1. This was clearly not the case when the tank was due for induction into service by an already extended deadline of 1995 and an exasperated army did not get its tanks.

    The army, which has around 3,500 tanks in 61 armoured regiments—each with 45 tanks, mostly T-72s imported and licence-produced from Russia in the early '80s serving as first line MBTs-has this complaint. The Arjun did not come on time.
    Not even when the acquisition of 300 Ukranian missile-firing T-80s UD MBTs by Pakistan in 1997 dangerously tilted the balance of armoured power on the subcontinent. (Tanks can only be used on the deserts and plains of India's western borders).
    Even during Operation Parakram, the near-war with Pakistan in December 2001, the army found its T-72s, obsolete T-55s and Vijayantas staring down the gunsights of the more modern T-80s. There was no sign of the Arjun.
    Delays in productionising the design ensured the order for 124 tanks was not placed to the OFB until 2002 and production did not begin until 2004 or nearly three decades after the project had been conceived. "The Arjun was not available when we needed it," says a senior army official.
    The army was hence forced to import 310, T-90 tanks from Russia in 2001 to sharpen the tip of its armoured spear. The door had begun to close on the Arjun which was still jumping through the hoops of the army's trials.
    Even as the tank struggled to meet GSQRs, the army would add new demands citing delays and changes in the global scenario. "The army's GSQR was always a moving goal post," says a DRDO-armoured vehicle scientist. "You cannot have a tank with the best-of-the-world-systems."
    Yet the Arjun managed to do this and more. Some of the state-of-the-art technologies incorporated in the tank include a modern fire control system with Fire Control Computer and muzzle reference system-which gives it the ability to blast targets placed over a km away while on the move, a gas-based suspension, a unique 'Kanchan' composite armour capable of withstanding direct hits from T-72 and T-90 tanks, lethally accurate fin-stabilised armour piercing discarding sabot ammunition and kinetic energy penetrators which can shatter enemy tanks, Nuclear-Biological-Chemical protection not to speak of the ability of the 60-tonne monster to spin full circle on a coin in 12 seconds.

    During the desert trials which concluded last week the tanks also rectified two problems raised by Army Chief General Deepak Kapoor during a visit to the CVRDE in May-premature failure of engine transmission and gun accuracy.

    However, it finds that the army has shifted the goal posts again. This time, to over the horizon. "Arjun is a contemporary tank and may be used in the next decade or so, but not for next generation warfare some two decades hence," says Bharadwaj.
    In the meantime, the army has gone ahead and ordered an additional 330 T-90 tank kits and another 1,000 T-90s from Russia to be assembled at the HVF, Avadi, a deal that actually saved Russia's largest tank manufacturer, Ural Vagon Zavod from shutdown.
    By 2020, the army hopes to field a force of over 21 regiments of T-90 tanks and 40 regiments of modified T-72s. The DRDO has been arguing for a slice of the pie-a mix of heavy tanks including the Arjun and medium tanks like the T-72 and T-90.
    But the army is not convinced. It has rejected the DRDO's offer of Arjun Mark-2-featuring uprated engines, digital fire control and a battlefield management system with the ability to 'talk' to other assets, which it claims it can field in five years.
    The army insists it wants nothing short of a futuristic tank. Yet, despite repeated reminders over the past two years, the army is yet to even furnish the DRDO its requirements.
    Has the door been closed on Arjun? Not just yet. Senior Defence Ministry officials have indicated an order for a second batch of modified 124 Arjun tanks as a face-saver for the DRDO and that would be the end of the programme. "After that we want the DRDO to focus on building the FMBT."


    The army will buy over 1,600 T-90s in 12 years

    The DRDO which says it needs an order of at least 376 more tanks to breakeven on the project investments of around Rs 370 crore is now scrambling to integrate Arjun-2 features on the promised second batch.

    The DRDO is also pressing for comparative trials of the Arjun with the T-90 known as the 'Bhishma' in the army, in Rajasthan later this year. It is a desperate rearguard action where the agency hopes to repeat mythology, but this is a contest the army is keen to avoid. "It's just a ploy to fool the bureaucrats," snarls a senior army official.
    The army concedes that the Arjun programme was a learning experience—on how not to execute a project and the necessity for closer user-interface. "As users we did not get adequately involved in the project as say the navy does," says Shekhawat. "Army officers posted on the project reported to the DRDO and not to army HQ. In the end, the DRDO did not get honest advice," he says.
    The battle over the Arjun is not just about a tank. It is about the shaky but obligatory path of building of indigenous defence capability. Why for instance, India's stunning success in the space industry has not translated into defence industry?
    These are matters which transcend the bean counters at service headquarters into the realm of higher national strategic planning. India already has the dubious distinction of being the world's second largest importer of defence items, abjectly dependent on foreign suppliers who sit on the UN Security Council, where it aspires to be-to supply basics like tanks and fighter aircraft.

    Why the Arjun is grounded
    Army’s view
    • Arjun is horribly late. Should have been inducted a decade ago when Pakistan began inducting T-80s.
    • Requirements changed because DRDO took time to deliver first batch of tanks.
    • Tank is good but relevant only for 10-15 years. We want future tanks.
    • Don’t want Arjun-2. Are importing over 1,600 T-90 tanks from Russia.
    • DRDO should work on Future MBT design for the army
    DRDO view
    • Development cycle and delays in productionising the tank at OFB. Army kept changing requirements.
    • Army always wanted ‘best in the world’ systems and we had to satisfy them.
    • Order 376 more Arjuns, we’ll give you a more sophisticated Arjun-2.
    • Take the T-90s but also order 500 indigenous Arjuns.
    • Army yet to give us FMBT design for two years now.


    There are some answers under the hood of the Arjun—only the third complete defence system produced indigenously after the Akash medium-range surface-to-air missile and the Pinaka rocket system.
    A raft of systems made indigenously talks about the tremendous force-multiplier effect of this programme. Its gearbox is common with the Tejas Light Combat Aircraft and indigenous gas-based suspension compares with the best in the world.
    Sure, nearly 60 per cent of the components of the first batch of 124 tanks, including the German-built power pack are imported. The DRDO says these will be reduced to under 30 per cent after it builds 500 tanks.
    "We are not ashamed of the delays but ashamed of the fact that we cannot sell it within our own country," says a senior DRDO scientist. An Arjun with no takers in India. That would be a tragedy of epic proportions.

    Arjun numbers
    • Cost per tank: Rs 17 Cr
    • Tanks produced: 90
    • Present order size: 124
    • Total investment by DRDO: Rs 300 Cr
    • Number of tanks needed to break even: 500
    • Number of new Arjuns mod plans to order: 124

    http://indiatoday.digitaltoday.in/in...id=70&Itemid=1

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    I was referring to the Australian government. As if NSG waiver is not enough Australia has refused to sell Uranium to India unless India signs CTBT. There is some sort of arrogance in policies of Australia towards India. I have been vindicated again.
    I find it bemusing that you accuse Australia of arrogance just because its elected government has made a decision you don't like, please keep the race and 'imperial' card out of this debate as it plays no part in modern international relations other than in your mind.

    I don't think you have been vindicated in anything, we have a right to do as you wish, India has close ties with Russia for example and has had for a long time. There is nothing wrong with that even if it may concern Australia and might not be judged to be in our interests. Despite this you don't see Australia trying to dictate your foreign policy, yet you seem to feel it is hypocritical when we don't let your interests govern ours?

    Supe is right, I think you don't understand that our governments can have disagreements without damaging fundamental relations. At the end of the day India will do as it wishes and so will we, these competing visions won't always line up, but friends don't have to agree all of the time.

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    Antony in US for final lap of nuclear deal


    WASHINGTON: India’s Defence Minister A K Antony began a four-day visit to the United States on Monday amid heightened expectations here about strategic ties, defence cooperation, and military purchases, following the Washington-led breakthrough to end New Delhi’s nuclear isolation.

    Although Antony’s visit had been on the calendar for some weeks, the fact that he arrived here a day after the US helped India secure a nuclear trade waiver in Vienna and a day before Congress reconvened for a session that is expected to give final approval for the U.S-India nuclear deal, infused the visit with extra importance.

    Ahead of the visit, US officials left no doubt that Washington expected a quid pro quo for the weight it pulled in Vienna -- in the nuclear power sector and beyond.

    Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice herself offered a stark reminder of the wages of American support and the fact that there were no freebies in international relations, saying in effect that the US did not expect India to go rushing to do business with other countries after the Vienna waiver while the administration dealt with the final step in Congress.

    There are several big ticket defence items on the table between India and the US, none bigger than the contract for 126 jet fighters that New Delhi wants to buy to ramp up its Air Force. Arguably the largest single-item, one-time military purchase in history, worth between $8 billion and $10 billion, the prospective contract pits two American companies, Boeing and Lockheed Martin, against Russian and European entities.

    Winning the contract means thousands of jobs spread across years for Boeing, which makes the F-18 Superhornets in St Louis, Missouri, or Lockheed Martin, which makes the F-16 in Fort Worth, Texas, at a time US cities and towns are bleeding jobs.

    Although Washington has not overtly voiced its expectations on this matter, the fact that the Defence Minister is being accompanied by the Director General (Acquisition), besides the standard delegation of Defence Secretary and three senior officers from the services, points to the business on hand.

    Also on the table are several agreements the two sides have been working on, including the Logistics Support Agreement (LSA), under which Indian and US militaries can refuel ships and aircraft in cashless transactions that are balanced at the end of the year.

    There is also the Communication Inter-operability and Security Memorandum of Agreement (CISMOA) that will enable the two militaries communicate on a common platform, and a contentious end-user agreement governing the sale of US military hardware to India.

    The agreements have been on the backburner for some time due to the Left parties’ restraining hand and New Delhi’s own long-standing reticence about military arrangements with the US. But with the Left disengaging from the UPA government, the Indian viewpoint is gradually beginning to change in consonance with the deteriorating security situation in the region, especially with Pakistan’s steady descent into chaos.

    Indian officials speaking on background reject the proposition that New Delhi is becoming a military ally, much less a lackey, of Washington. But they stress that consorting equally with all international powers is in India’s interest, pointing out that Indian forces have even undertaken joint military exercises with China.

    Within the strategic community though there is a growing sense that US-India military ties are of a qualitatively different nature now. Joint naval exercises like Operation Malabar and air exercises like the recent Red Flag workout at the Nellis Air Force Base increasingly emphasize inter-operability pointing to larger goals than just getting to know each other.

    Antony is scheduled to meet his counterpart Robert Gates on Tuesday, followed by exchanges with Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and National Security Advisor Stephen Hadley on Wednesday, even as the administration pushes the nuclear deal through Congress.
    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Vital_defence_deals_on_cards_as_Antony_starts_US_visit/articleshow/3459874.cms


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    Hindi-Chini, hai-hai


    The Indian elephant has a deep-seated and chronic inferiority complex vis-a-vis the Chinese dragon. Way back in 1950, after the Chinese communist revolution, the US offered China's UN Security Council seat to India. Jawaharlal Nehru turned down the offer, apparently on Soviet advice, for fear that accepting the American invitation would offend China.

    China has always been grateful to India for this generous gesture, though it might have displayed its gratitude with an inscrutability that is truly oriental. In 1962 China invaded India, an exercise facilitated by the then defence minister, Krishna Menon (a Nehru protege), under whose stewardship India's ordnance factories had stopped making arms and ammunition (which might have offended the sensibilities of our big neighbour in the east) in favour of coffee percolators, among other widgets.

    Nehru ordered the Indian army to 'throw out' the Chinese; instead the invaders threw out our valiant but tragically
    ill-equipped soldiers. The Chinese withdrew, but to this day Beijing lays claim to the whole of Arunachal Pradesh (though it has, graciously, allowed India to keep Sikkim).

    To foster cordial relations in South Asia, China helped Pakistan achieve full nuclear status in the early 1990s, a
    favour which Islamabad has returned by acknowledging Chinese suzerainty over Aksai Chin, the high-altitude desert which India claims as its own. Among other tokens of its friendship, Beijing has stoutly and steadfastly resisted India's inclusion in the same Security Council which Nehru's 'pehle aap' politesse ushered China into.

    And of course in the recent nail-biting Vienna meet of the NSG, Beijing did its best to play last-minute spoiler for India's hopes (now realised) of ending 34 years of nuclear apartheid.

    That seems to have been the dragon-sized straw that finally broke the Indian elephant's back. During Chinese foreign minister Yang Jiechi's visit to India, New Delhi voiced "strong" disapproval of Beijing's obstructionism in Vienna. It was pointed out that India had bent over backwards — with a nimbleness that might have won it a gold if performed in the gymnastic rather than the political arena — in ensuring that the passage of the Beijing Olympics torch through New Delhi wasn't compromised by Free Tibet protesters.

    Despite this, China had done its damnedest to shaft India in Vienna, helped not a little by the customarily submissive posture adopted by New Delhi in its relations with Beijing. Unfazed by such accusations, Yang urbanely replied that on the contrary Beijing had in fact played a very "constructive" role in Vienna on behalf of New Delhi. However, Yang's meeting with his Indian counterpart, Pranab Mukherjee, was reportedly "interrupted by Tibetan protesters who were taken into custody", as reported in the TOI. In Indo-Chinese relations, the more things change, the more they remain the same.

    Why is it that New Delhi is so sensitive about stepping on Beijing's toes, when China has no compunction about stomping on Indian toes, and with hobnailed boots at that? Is it because China demonstrably has far more nukes, foreign investment inflows, exports, Olympic golds, mobile phones, millionaires, skyscrapers than India does, not to mention a civilisational pedigree at least as old as that of our own Indus Valley?

    All true. But is that reason enough for New Delhi's doormat attitude when confronted by Beijing: please come and wipe your feet on us, helped by Comrades Karat and Yechury?

    The real reason, the real threat we face from China, is far more insidious than that represented by nuclear weapons, or FDI figures, or global market shares. It is that — with its monolithic, single-minded pursuit of success at all costs, human or material — China makes us apologetic and ashamed of what is, and ought to be, our most prized advantage over the Middle Kingdom: our democracy. Ragged, half-starved, flood-battered, riot-scarred but nonetheless democracy, not the jackboot of dictatorship. Our democracy ought to be our biggest pride. China threatens to make it our shame. That — and not nuclear deals or Security Council seats —
    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/I...ow/3464581.cms

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    Fresh Chinese incursions across LAC


    NEW DELHI: Though it eventually refrained from back-stabbing India during the Nuclear Suppliers Group meeting at Vienna, China continues to needle Indian forces all along the 4,057-km Line of Actual Control (LAC).

    In the latest set of incursions across the LAC, Chinese patrols once again "transgressed" into the Indian side at the strategically located Pangong Tso lake as well as Trig Heights in eastern Ladakh on September 2-3, said sources.

    There were both boat and vehicle-mounted People's Liberation Army (PLA) patrols on the north bank of Pangong Tso, two-third of which is controlled by China as it extends from India to Tibet at an altitude of 4,218 metres, on September 2.

    A day later, a vehicle-mounted PLA patrol crossed over at the Trig Heights. "The patrol was on our side for quite some time before it went back. PLA has really stepped up incursions into our side in eastern Ladakh region this year, with well over 100 transgressions being recorded there since January," said a source.

    Pangong Tso and Trig Heights have become quite contentious since the 1999 Kargil conflict, with China even constructing a "track" right up to the lake's southern bank during that time to demonstrate its support to Pakistan. China, it's assessed, wants the border to be drawn in a straight line on the lake to gain strategic advantage. It seeks similar gains in Trig Heights and Demchok areas in the western sector.

    But eastern Ladakh is not the only region where Chinese patrols have been flexing their muscles in an "aggressive" border management policy to put pressure on India and lay claim to disputed areas along the LAC.

    Similar Chinese moves have been witnessed in the eastern sector in Arunachal Pradesh and Sikkim in recent months. In fact, perturbed by the incursions into Sikkim, "a settled matter" as far as India is concerned, the government in June had made some strong public statements about taking up the matter with China.

    With over 80 incursions across the 206-km Sikkim-Tibet border being recorded since January, the Indian establishment is especially worried about the so-called 2.1 sq km "finger area", the northern-most tip of Sikkim, which China is claiming as its own territory.

    The government, incidentally, is now conducting a fresh survey of the northern plateau in Sikkim to counter claims by China. The survey is using latest technology to chart out the watershed in the area, which is usually used to demarcate boundaries in mountainous areas.

    Many feel China's gameplan could well be to use Sikkim as a leverage in its policy of exerting pressure on India over the Tawang tract in Arunachal Pradesh. Always careful of not ruffling Chinese feathers, India often downplays intrusions by its troops, holding that they take place due to "differing perceptions" of the still-unresolved LAC.

    The fact, however, remains that the step-up in incursions has been accompanied by a hardening of the Chinese posture in the never-ending border talks to delineate the LAC. What has added to the worry of Indian defence planners is the rapid build-up of military infrastructure by China all along the LAC making it possible for it to amass large troops at the border in double-quick time.
    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/I...41,curpg-1.cms

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    Israel Army Chief on India Visit - Military, Defense Ties to be Strengthened




    Israel's army chief Major General Avi Mizrahi is on a three-day visit to India beginning today to enhance the rapidly-growing defence ties between the two countries.

    General Mizrahi, the Ground Forces Chief of the Israeli Defence Forces who flew in here this morning is scheduled to meet Indian Army chief General Deepak Kapoor later in the day, Defence Ministry sources told reporters.

    On his arrival, the General first laid a wreath at the Amar Jawan Jyoti at the India Gate and was later given a guard of honour at the Defence Ministry headquarters in South Block here.

    During General Mizrahi's three-day stay in New Delhi, he is likely to meet Minister of State for Defence Production Rao Inderjit Singh but would miss Defence Minister A K Antony and his deputy M M Pallam Raju who are currently abroad.

    He will also meet the Indian Navy chief and the Chiefs of Staff Committee Chairman Admiral Sureesh Mehta too during the course of his stay here.

    The Israeli army chief, during his meetings with the Indian Defence Ministry and Armed Forces top brass, will discuss matters of mutual concern and interests, including joint military training and exercises between the forces of the two countries, sources said.

    Of particular interest to the Indians is the Israeli offer to exercise and train in anti-insurgency and anti-terrorist operations, sources added.
    http://www.india-defence.com/reports-4009

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    Hindustan Aeronautics completes first phase of Jaguar upgrade programme


    The first phase of the upgrade programme for Jaguars, deep-penetration strike aircraft of Indian Air Force, has been successfully completed, which will add more lethality to the fleet's long-range ground attack capability.
    The upgrade programme, considered significant to maintain effective airpower strength of the type, was carried out by aerospace and defence manufacturing major Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL).
    "We successfully completed the first phase of the upgrade programme for the Jaguar aircraft and delivered the fleet to Indian Air Force," General Manager of HAL's Aircraft Design and Research Centre P L Vaishampayan told PTI here.
    Vaishampayan said the upgrade programme included a new version of avionics apart from other features which would make the planes more lethal for the long-range ground attack operation.
    "The upgrade programme has added more teeth to the fleet's striking capability."
    The main focus of the upgrade programme was to replace the older version of the avionics in the aircraft with a new version, known as display attack ranging inertial navigation (Darin-3).
    The HAL is carrying out another development programme for the Jaguar fleet which includes additional features like an advanced radar system.
    "Another development programme is going on for the strike aircraft to add some additional features like advanced radar systems which IAF wants," Vaishampayan said.
    http://www.business-standard.com/india/storypage.php?tp=on

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    Canadian ships to exercise with Indian Navy


    NEW DELHI: Two Canadian warships will be visiting Indian waters for four days from Wednesday and carry out an exercise in the sea off the Chennai coast on Saturday.The two ships -- HMCS Calgary and HMCS Protecteur -- will dock at the Chennai port while the Canadian Naval officers and men interact with their Indian counterparts there during the visit, Indian Navy sources said here on Tuesday.
    Before the ships leave the Indian waters, the two navies would conduct a Passage Exercise in the Bay of Bengal involving communication, manoeuvring, station keeping, Visit-Board-Search-Seize operations and exchange of personnel.
    HMCS Calgary is a Halifax-class frigate with a complement of 215 men including 25 officers. It has a maximum displacement of 4,770-tonnes and is equipped with Electronic Counter Measures capability. It carries Harpoon missiles, Sea Sparrow Surface-to-Air Missile, 57-mm Bofors Gun and suitable Anti-Submarine Warfare capabilities, along with a Sea King helicopter.
    HMCS Protecteur is an Auxillary ship (tanker) with a complement of 365 men including 27 officers. It has a maximum displacement of 24,700 tonne and carries a Sea King helicopter.
    http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1188932

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