Indian Defence and Strategic News Thread

[Kunal Biswas]

MoF said no, so scrapped refueller deal: Antony

Defence Minister A K Antony on Monday said that despite repeated requests by the Indian Air Force (IAF), the Ministry of Finance (MoF) scuttled a mega tender to procure mid-air tankers to support fighter operations but cleared another contract to procure VVIP choppers because of the “changed security scenario”.
Antony said cancellation of the tanker contract for which the A330 MRTT (Airbus Military Multi Role Tanker Transport) had been chosen took place after the Finance Ministry refused to support the deal at a meeting of the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS).
At the same time, the Finance Ministry gave the go-ahead for a deal to procure 12 VVIP helicopters — on which it had reservations earlier because of the high price tag — due to security considerations.
Antony said the Defence Ministry sent the tanker contract for clearance thrice to the Finance Ministry but was forced to withdraw it due to the latter’s disapproval.
“We had sent it to the Finance Ministry three times. Unless Finance Ministry agrees to take it up with CCS, we cannot go ahead. Finance Ministry told us categorically they will not support it (in the CCS),” he said, responding to a query on cancellation of the deal.
As first reported by The Indian Express, the contract had been put on hold in September last year after the Finance Ministry questioned the need to purchase a new fleet of tankers other than the IL-78s already in service and raised objections to the high price of the Airbus aircraft.

http://www.bharatrakshak.com/NEWS/ne...p?newsid=12383

[Kunal Biswas]

CAE teams up with TATAs for T 90 and T72 tank simulator

CAE, the specialist training and simulation provider has teamed up with the Tata group to develop a tank simulator for the T90 and T72 tanks. This is in respose to an RFP from the Indian MoD for simulators for Russian origin tanks.

CAE teams up with TATAs for T 90 and T72 tank simulator

According to CAE executives at the Defexpo 2010 show in Delhi, the simulator has been delivered for trials to the Indian Army. India does not have simulators for tank training and most training now is done on live tanks.

This leads to waste of resources.

Tanks simulators has been a long standing demand of the Indian army.

CAE is also developing a simulator for the C130J transport aircraft which the Indian Air Force is scheduled to receive early next year.

The aircraft is configured for special forces operation and the simulator will reflect that to impart training to pilots for this purpose. The simulator will be similar to the one CAE is building for another C130J aircraft for the U.S. Air Forces Special operations command.

The simulator will likely be located at the Hindon Air Base near Delhi which will be the base for the C130J transport planes. In a related development, the Mahindra group has got a contract to run the simulator training facility.

CAE is also developing a fixed base training device for the MiG 21 fighter aircraft which is the mainstay of the Indian Air Force.

http://www.bharatrakshak.com/NEWS/ne...p?newsid=12385

[Kunal Biswas]

Pilot killed in MiG-27 crash

NEW DELHI: In yet another crash in IAF, a MiG-27 fighter went down near Siliguri in West Bengal on Tuesday afternoon, killing the pilot, a squadron leader.

The MiG-27 is a `swing wing' aircraft and the over 100 of them in IAF combat fleet were hardly flown in 2005-2006 after it was found that their R-29 engines were causing a large number of accidents.

With the MiG-27 fleet undergoing an upgrade since then, IAF actually plans to operate these fighters well into the next decade, even though they are ageing, because they constitute an important element of its strike fleet.

The number of IAF fighter squadrons, of course, is itself down to just 32-33 from even the `authorised strength' of 39.5 squadrons. IAF will achieve its desired squadron strength of 42 only after 2020.

From 1971-72 to 2003-04, IAF's consolidated average rate stood at 1.09 accidents per 10,000 hours of flying, roughly translating into the loss of 23 aircraft and the death of 10-14 pilots every year.

The crash rate did come down dramatically to around 0.27 accidents per 10,000 hours of flying, with an over 50% reduction in crashes after 2003-04. But the number of crashes seem to be going up once again now.

The aging MiG variants, which constitute the bulk of India's combat fleet, have, of course, been the main culprits. The `highly-demanding' MiG-21s, in particular, have a horrifying track-record.

Of the 793 single-engined MiG-21s inducted into IAF since 1963, well over 330 have been lost in accidents. The problem has been compounded by shoddy maintenance, poor quality control of spares

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/i...ow/5581367.cms



When we are suppose to replace our Migs with LCAs or MRCAs????

[VAMAN]

Just look at that Antony face he has the typical bureaucrat profile,atleast a defence minister should have a minimum knowledge about weapons.A former officer from the Armed forces would IMO be better as a Defence minister.

Antony is a honest man, this is what we need in a Defence Minister. There are weapons experts to advice him if he needs to know any technical details.

[JBH22]

Antony is a honest man, this is what we need in a Defence Minister. There are weapons experts to advice him if he needs to know any technical details.

A honest man at the head of billion worth of contracts is problematic,as to the weapons expert no need cause the Ministry of finance has the final word when acquiring hardware remember air refuelling tankers contract...if there's something unique about India its that bureaucrats tell the armed forces what hardware to acquire and worst the honest minister of defence turns a blind eye to it.

[JBH22]

Shaurya surfaces as India's underwater nuclear missileThe country’s top defence scientist has, for the first time, revealed that India’s new Shaurya missile, which can carry a one-tonne nuclear warhead over 750 kilometers, is specially designed to be fired from Indian submarines and could form the crucial third leg of India’s nuclear deterrent.If launched from a submarine off the China coast, it could hit several Chinese cities like Beijing, Nanjing and Shanghai.Air and land-based nuclear weapons are delivered to their targets by fighter aircraft and ballistic missiles, respectively. Since these can be knocked out by an enemy first strike, the most reliable nuclear deterrent has traditionally been underwater, missiles hidden in a submarine.V K Saraswat, the DRDO chief and Scientific Advisor to the Defence Minister, revealed to Business Standard at the ongoing Defexpo 2010, “We have designed the Shaurya so that it can be launched from under water as easily as from land. The gas-filled canister that houses the missile fits easily into a submarine. The underwater leg of the nuclear triad needs to be totally reliable and needs a state-of-the-art missile.”India’s undersea deterrent had so far revolved around the K-15 ballistic missile, built with significant help from Russia. The K-15 was to equip the INS Arihant, India’s lone nuclear-powered submarine, which is being constructed in Visakhapatnam. But now, after rigorous underwater testing, the Shaurya could be the mainstay of Arihant’s arsenal.Technically, a foreign entity that wants to start a business that does not come under the automatic approval route must approach the Foreign Investment Approval Board (FIPB) for approval. This includes any foreign entity that wants to provide services in “commodity broking activities”. Other activities that are similar in nature like stock broking and forex broking come under the automatic route.DIPP’s argument is that since commodity broking is conceptually similar to stock and forex broking, the participation of foreign entities as broker-members though appropriate legal entities on the commodity exchanges would lead to more maturity in the Indian commodity derivative markets. A few foreign-owned broking houses have been active on the commodity exchanges since 2003-04. All of them have opened subsidiaries in India.Experts in the commodity broking business say the real issue will arise while regulating the overseas entities on domestic commodity exchanges, since the regulator — the Forward Markets Commission — is not equipped with the powers and regulations to regulate multinational broking companies.“The Shaurya was developed from ground up as a submarine-capable missile,” confirms Dr Prahlada, the top DRDO scientist responsible for liaising with the military. “Every piece of technology for fitting it in a submarine is already in place.”Shortly before the Defexpo 2010, Dr Saraswat had publicly stated that India’s missile technology was ahead of China’s and Pakistan’s.Now top DRDO scientists have revealed that the Shaurya is not a ballistic missile, as it has been thought to be; it is actually a hypersonic cruise missile, which never leaves the atmosphere.A ballistic missile is like a stone being lobbed towards a target. Rockets toss it upwards and towards the target; after the rocket burns out, gravity pulls the missile warhead down towards the target. Buffeted by wind and re-entry forces, accuracy is a problem; and, since the ballistic missile’s path is predictable, shooting it down is relatively easy.The Shaurya has none of these issues. Its solid-fuel, two-stage rocket accelerates the missile to six times the speed of sound before it reaches an altitude of 40 kilometers (125,000 feet), after which it levels out and cruises towards the target, powered by its onboard fuel.While ballistic missiles cannot correct their course midway, the Shaurya is an intelligent missile. Onboard navigation computers kick in near the target, guiding the missile to the target and eliminating errors that inevitably creep in during its turbulent journey.The Shaurya, say DRDO sources, will strike within 20-30 metres of its target after travelling 750 kilometres.Conventional cruise missiles, like the American Tomahawk and the Indo-Russian Brahmos, offer similar accuracy. But their air-breathing engines carry them along slowly, rendering them vulnerable to enemy aircraft and missiles. The Shaurya’s solid-fuel, air-independent engine propels it along at hypersonic speeds, leaving enemy fighters and missiles far behind.“I would say the Shaurya is a hybrid propulsion missile”, says Dr Saraswat. “Like a ballistic missile, it is powered by solid fuel. And, like a cruise missile, it can guide itself right up to the target.”Making the Shaurya even more capable is its ability to manoeuvre, following a twisting path to the target that makes it very difficult to shoot it down. In contrast, a ballistic missile is predictable; its trajectory gives away its target and its path to it
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[JBH22]

BrahMos hypersonic missile to touch Mach 5 to 7 speeds

New Delhi: Indo-Russian joint venture BrahMos Aerospace is working on a hypersonic cruise missile that can touch speeds ranging from five to seven times that of sound.The cruise missile's supersonic version for the land forces can touch speeds of two times the speed of sound and has a 290-km range."The hypersonic version of the BrahMos, to be called BrahMos-II, is in its design and technological development stage. It will take some time to mature. But our aim is for it to touch Mach 5 to 7 speeds, making it the fastest cruise missile in the world," BrahMos' Chief Executive Officer A Sivathanu Pillai said at the DefExpo here."The hypersonic missile, which will be smaller than BrahMos-I, will definitely provide an advantage to the Indian armed forces in future warfare," Pillai said when asked about the need for the missile.The hypersonic version of the BrahMos would be built for its air platforms.Already, the BrahMos is in the process of developing an air platform-based supersonic cruise missile and Sukhoi fighter jets of the IAF have been chosen as the platform for integrating the missile."The BrahMos will be integrated in to the Su-30MKI's built in India. But the aircraft would be sent to Russia for fitting a modified structure for the missile's integration. We plan to get it done by 2012," he said.Related StoriesOffset contracts worth Rs 49000cr in pipeline: P RajuItalian manufacturer to give 12 VVIP choppers to IAF in 4 yrsThree Russian Ka-226 choppers in high-altitude India trialsRatheon-L&T tie-up for T-72 upgrade programmeNew defence procurement policy in Sept to reduce importsTata announces foray into combat vehicles for defenceApart from the Sukhois, currently being built at the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited's (HAL) facility in Bangalore on a technology transfer from Russia, other systems that would be Indian in the BrahMos plans are its launchers."The whole system including the aircraft would soon go for dummy trials and the missile integration process onto the Sukhois should start by next year," he said.Meanwhile, Russia's Minister for Trade and Industries Victor Khrishtenko visited the BrahMos stall at the DefExpo, where he spoke to reporters about the possibilities of the Indo-Russian partnership in the field of defence.Khristenko, giving the example of BrahMos which stood for Rivers Brahmaputra and Moscow being a joint venture between the two countries, said the defence cooperation between Indian and Russia was moving away from a seller-buyer relations to joint development phase.He said Russia was now sharing technology with India for production of defence products within India that included T-90 tanks, Sukhoi aircraft, aviation engines, and military helicopters.Referring to the deals signed between the two countries during Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's visit to Moscow last December, Khristenko said the new relationship mandated that Russia provide after-sales repair and service, apart from product support, such as spare parts.PTINew Delhi: Indo-Russian joint venture BrahMos Aerospace is working on a hypersonic cruise missile that can touch speeds ranging from five to seven times that of sound.The cruise missile's supersonic version for the land forces can touch speeds of two times the speed of sound and has a 290-km range."The hypersonic version of the BrahMos, to be called BrahMos-II, is in its design and technological development stage. It will take some time to mature. But our aim is for it to touch Mach 5 to 7 speeds, making it the fastest cruise missile in the world," BrahMos' Chief Executive Officer A Sivathanu Pillai said at the DefExpo here."The hypersonic missile, which will be smaller than BrahMos-I, will definitely provide an advantage to the Indian armed forces in future warfare," Pillai said when asked about the need for the missile.The hypersonic version of the BrahMos would be built for its air platforms.Already, the BrahMos is in the process of developing an air platform-based supersonic cruise missile and Sukhoi fighter jets of the IAF have been chosen as the platform for integrating the missile."The BrahMos will be integrated in to the Su-30MKI's built in India. But the aircraft would be sent to Russia for fitting a modified structure for the missile's integration. We plan to get it done by 2012," he said.Apart from the Sukhois, currently being built at the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited's (HAL) facility in Bangalore on a technology transfer from Russia, other systems that would be Indian in the BrahMos plans are its launchers."The whole system including the aircraft would soon go for dummy trials and the missile integration process onto the Sukhois should start by next year," he said.Meanwhile, Russia's Minister for Trade and Industries Victor Khrishtenko visited the BrahMos stall at the DefExpo, where he spoke to reporters about the possibilities of the Indo-Russian partnership in the field of defence.Khristenko, giving the example of BrahMos which stood for Rivers Brahmaputra and Moscow being a joint venture between the two countries, said the defence cooperation between Indian and Russia was moving away from a seller-buyer relations to joint development phase.He said Russia was now sharing technology with India for production of defence products within India that included T-90 tanks, Sukhoi aircraft, aviation engines, and military helicopters.Referring to the deals signed between the two countries during Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's visit to Moscow last December, Khristenko said the new relationship mandated that Russia provide after-sales repair and service, apart from product support, such as spare parts.Meanwhile, Russia's Minister for Trade and Industries Victor Khrishtenko visited the BrahMos stall at the DefExpo, where he spoke to reporters about the possibilities of the Indo-Russian partnership in the field of defence.Khristenko, giving the example of BrahMos which stood for Rivers Brahmaputra and Moscow being a joint venture between the two countries, said the defence cooperation between Indian and Russia was moving away from a seller-buyer relations to joint development phase.He said Russia was now sharing technology with India for production of defence products within India that included T-90 tanks, Sukhoi aircraft, aviation engines, and military helicopters.Referring to the deals signed between the two countries during Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's visit to Moscow last December, Khristenko said the new relationship mandated that Russia provide after-sales repair and service, apart from product support, such as spare parts.

[JBH22]

Three Russian Ka-226 choppers in high-altitude India trials

New Delhi: Russia has brought three of its Kamov-226 light multi-purpose helicopters to join trials in high altitude areas of Jammu and Kashmir for the Indian armed forces' requirement for 197 such choppers."We have brought the Ka-226 helicopters for the high altitude trials that are going on at present. We are competing in the bids against Eurocopter and Agusta Westland," Rosoboronexport's deputy director general Victor Komardin said here today.Ka-226, an upgraded version of the Ka-26 choppers, will be competing in the trials against European chopper manufacturer Eurocopter's AS-550 and British-Italian major Agusta Westland's AW119 helicopters for the tenders.The tenders were floated last year to equip the army with 133 and the IAF with 64 such choppers to replace its ageing 350-helicopter Cheetah and Chetak fleet.While 197 of these choppers would be bought off the shelf, another 187 would be manufactured within India by the Defence Public Sector Undertaking Hindustan Aeronautics Limited.Komardin also told reporters at the DefExpo here that Russia would deliver the fifth and the last of the Illushin-38 maritime aircraft to the Indian Navy tomorrow."The aircraft would arrive in Goa and this would complete the upgrading programme for the IL-38s. With this, we have completed the upgrade of all five of the IL-38s," he added.IL-38s are long-range maritime aircraft in the navy's aviation fleet with a 7,200-km range touching speeds of 650 kmph. The Russians have provided five naval aircraft with a Sea Dragon multi-mission and electronic warfare suite.Komardin also expressed happiness over induction of the first four of the 16 MiG-29K fighter jets by the Indian Navy. The jets were bought along with the Admiral Gorshkov aircraft carrier in 2004 for USD 526 million.The carrier-borne fighter jets would be commissioned at Goa's INS Hansa, which also has a facility forthe aircraft to operate from the shore.The navy has already established a shore-based facility for training its pilots in short take-off and arrested landing skills, the configuration in which the Gorshkov is being remodified for India by Russia's Sevmash Shipyard.

[JBH22]

Let India Train the Afghan Army

By SUMIT GANGULYTraining the Afghan army is "the most critical part" of America's "long-term strategy" in the country, U.S. special envoy Richard Holbrooke said Monday. Pakistan agrees, and has suggested it can help, too. Yet the best candidate for the task is the Indian Army.This million-strong force has had close to 60 years' of intense counterinsurgency experience in a variety of terrains. Indian troops have successfully carried out campaigns in jungles in India's northeast, at high altitudes in Jammu and Kashmir and in the plains in the Punjab. Its officers and enlisted men have counterinsurgency experience in both urban and rural environments.India already has the capacity to impart this knowledge to friendly forces. The country boasts one of the world's largest military training establishments, with the ability to train officers and men for varying combat duties. Educational facilities include a major counterinsurgency training base—the Counterinsurgency and Jungle Warfare School—and a school focused on urban warfare in the state of Jammu and Kashmir, the site of an ongoing insurgency. Both can simulate a variety of combat situations and provide the Afghan Army with training relevant to the terrain and physical conditions that its troops are likely to encounter upon deployment. India's counterinsurgency schools also come complete with firing ranges, obstacle courses and training areas for the detection and handling of improvised explosive devices.View Full ImagegangulyAssociated PressgangulygangulyBeyond such infrastructure, however, the Indian Army has at its command significant accumulated knowledge of counterinsurgency operations and techniques. Its substantial cadre of instructors have ample field experience and routinely train India's forces in counterinsurgency operations. The Indian military has formulated a viable, codified doctrine to fight counterinsurgency. This doctrine calls for important restraints on the use of force, highlights the significance of not alienating civilian populations, insists upon respect for local customs and emphasizes the importance of an eventual political solution to all insurgencies. These principles are routinely stressed in the curricula of the counterinsurgency schools and applied to the best extent possible in field operations. There is little reason to believe that within a specified span of time they could not be inculcated into the Afghan Army too.Finally, thanks to some setbacks over the years, most notably in its operations in Sri Lanka and subsequently in Jammu and Kashmir, the Indian Army has taken heed of and learned a great deal from its past errors. Its leadership has undertaken a number of organizational innovations to best cope with counterinsurgency operations. Since 1990, for instance, India has fielded a contingent called the Rashtriya Rifles (literally "National Rifles"), forces with an optimal "teeth to tail" ratio, specifically trained in counterinsurgency operations. These units, drawn from the regular Indian Army, have proven especially effective when deployed in Jammu and Kashmir and have managed to restore more than a modicum of order in the state.The Indian Army has other advantages, too. Thanks to its cheap labor costs, it can train Afghan forces at a fraction of the costs of training them in similar duties almost anywhere in the United States or Western Europe. Rank and file Afghan soldiers would feel much more at ease in India than in most other parts of the world. India has cultural bonds with Afghanistan of very long standing and Afghans have over centuries traveled to various parts of northern India. Finally, critics of the Indian Army's counterinsurgency operations notwithstanding, its forces have learned to operate within the scope of the rule of law. Many officers who have exceeded their brief have been subject to court-martial and charges of human-rights violations are not swept under the carpet.If training the Afghan Army is as important as the U.S.-led coalition says it is, then why not accelerate training in the place that's best served to do it? Not turning to India would amount to a grave strategic error.

[JBH22]

Tata-IAI venture to indigenise and maintain Israeli defence technologies

16 Feb 2010 8ak: As Israel replaces Russia as India's leading weapons supplier the Tata group has realised that not only will these equipment need ongoing maintenance but also that it makes commercial sense to indigenise some of these technologies. Hence, when 8ak interviewed Air Marshal (retd) Ajit Bhavnani he mentioned that the proposed Tata-IAI venture will focus on indigenisation of Israeli technologies like UAVs, radars and missiles. He pointed to the EL\I 3385 (photo coming!) Combo Pole as a case in point where an advanced techonology developed by Israel would be completely manufactured in India. On the market for UAVs, he expects the demand to go up ~600% from the current

[JBH22]

AgustaWestland and Tata Sons establish a Joint Ventur

17 Feb 2010 8ak: AgustaWestland, a Finmeccanica company, and Tata sons have signed a Shareholders’ Agreement for the formation of an Indian joint venture company which will establish in India a final assembly line for the AW119 helicopter for the worldwide market. This was revealed at Finmeccanica’s press conference at the ongoing Def Expo in New Delhi. The agreement was signed in New Delhi today by Mr. Giuseppe Orsi, CEO, AgustaWestland and Mr. Ratan Tata, Chairman, Tata Sons. The joint venture company will be responsible for AW119 final assembly, completion and delivery while AgustaWestland will retain responsibility for worldwide marketing and sales. The first aircraft is scheduled to be delivered from the new facility in 2011 with production forecast to rise to 30 aircraft per year to meet worldwide demand. "It gives us great pleasure to have achieved this important agreement with such a leading industrial partner in India. The establishment of a Joint Venture to set up an AW119 assembly line in India will provide extraordinary industrial opportunities both in the country and worldwide through the synergies generated by AgustaWestland and Tata Sons capitalizing upon the depth of their respective resources,” said Mr. Giuseppe Orsi, CEO, AgustaWestland. It is envisaged that the joint venture company would be a supplier for the current Reconnaissance and Surveillance Helicopter (RSH) programme of the Indian Armed Forces, for which AgustaWestland has already proposed the AW119 to be manufactured in India. Additionally, AgustaWestland and Tata Sons are exploring further commercial, technical and industrial collaboration opportunities in the rotorcraft industry to strengthen their strategic relationship.What is to be seen is that how would the tie-up with TATAs help the AgustaWestland in meeting its off-set requirements, as the AW119 is a civil helicopter, thus not coming under the preview of Indian procurement policy, which makes it mandatory for 30% off-set requirements. For the execution of military contract, a separate licence and infrastructure would be required by AgustaWestland. The company also disclosed that the US$300 million contract for 12 IAF VIP (Very Important Persons) helicopters, to be used by the President, Prime Minister and other VIPs was more or less through as they were the only vendors left, and final negotiations to sign the dotted line were going on with the ministry. The announcement in this regard comes four years after the government had invited bids to procure the state-of-the-art choppers for VIPs. In September 2006, India invited bids from Sikorsky, AgustaWestland and Kamov of Russia. Kamov was technically disqualified and Sikorsky and AgustaWestland were asked to carry out trials on a no-cost, no-commitment basis. AgustaWestland's EH101 was the only chopper left in the competition after Sikorsky's S-92 could not fulfil the Air Force's rate-of-climb requirement and engine and technical specifications.The Cabinet Committee on Security has also given its approval for buying the choppers. Incidentally, the deal was stuck with the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) due to the high price of the choppers. The CCS approval showcases the double path approach of the Indian government, which had cancelled the tender for A-330 mid air refuellers citing high price as an issue even though it was much more superior to its competitor, Russian IL-78s.

[Kunal Biswas]

BrahMos hypersonic missile to touch Mach 5 to 7 speeds

Three Russian Ka-226 choppers in high-altitude India trials

Let India Train the Afghan Army

Dude, these are reposts!

[Kunal Biswas]

Army postpones howitzer trial after gun accident

The Indian Army has postponed the winter trials for procuring 155 mm towed howitzers after St. Kinetics expressed inability to bring its gun for field testing due to an accident in Singapore.
“The winter trials will now be held in October as one of the two contenders, St. Kinetics, said its gun was damaged in an accident in Singapore, and would be able to arrive in India only after March,” Army officials said here.
St. Kinetics senior executive Brig Gen Patrick Choy said the accident occurred when the gun was being transported to India.
“We have to cut some parts on the gun which were damaged in the accident. We will definitely have the guns in India by April and it will take part in the summer trials,” he said.
The Indian Army is planning to procure 400 towed howitzers, and BAE Systems and the Singapore-based St. Kinetics are the two contenders offering their platforms.
The field trials have already been delayed as they were put on hold after St. Kinetics’ name surfaced in a CBI case for allegedly bribing Ordinance Factory Board officials.
After the government decided to allow tainted firms to participate in defence contracts till the time the probe was on, the Army decided to hold the winter trials in Leh in February and March.
In view of the mishap involving the St. Kinetics gun, the trials are now expected to be held in October-November.
Commenting on the other tenders where St. Kinetics is participating, Choy said the company’s SAR-21 assault rifles were undergoing trials for meeting the requirements of the Home Ministry tender for procuring around 40,000 guns.

http://www.bharatrakshak.com/NEWS/ne...p?newsid=12398

[JBH22]

Dude, these are reposts!

oops sorry.. Ka-226 news is great

[Kunal Biswas]

oops sorry.. Ka-226 news is great

Agreed, But i think army should wait for LOH!