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    BAE Systems says it can't respond to Army's ultra-light gun tender

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    BAE Systems, which elaborately publicised its M777 ultra-lightweight 155-mm artillery gun at Def Expo 2008 -- about a month after the Army invited proposals to buy 140 ultra-light 155-mm 39-calibre guns in -- has decided that it cannot participate in the tender under the current trial requirements demanded in the Army/MoD's request for proposal.

    According to Julian Scopes, BAE Systems' new president of India operations, the trial requirements had impossibly broad ammunition compatibility requirements -- that the tender required that the gun fielded be capable of firing all available ammunition in the Army's artillery inventory.

    The other company that was sent an RFP was Singapore Technologies Kinetics (STK) for its Pegasus 155mm 39-calibre Light Weight Howitzer, which, it is understood, has responded to the Army's invitation.
    Sidenote: BAE Systems is lobbying with the government for permission to set up a 49:51 joint venture (current policy only allows the foreign firm to own 26%) with Mahindra & Mahindra to build combat vehicles in India for the Indian and Army and for export. The inventory of vehicles that could be built, or technology that could be brought in for integration with Mahindra vehicles is currently being identified by the two companies, with informal consultation from the Army of course.


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    Enhanced Seapower

    INS Chakra commenced harbour trials last April and in June began its sea trials
    By Prasun K. Sengupta

    It is time to separate the wheat from the chaff. For at least a decade speculation has been rife on two major issues: India’s quest for acquiring a credible sea-based element of the country’s nuclear weapons triad; and the Indian Navy’s (IN) projected plans for acquiring on lease two nuclear-powered attack submarines (SSGN) of Russian origin. More often than not, it is the Russian mass media that has been more accurate in reporting key developments on these two issues, while its Indian counterpart has been engaging in speculations ranging from the sublime to the ridiculous. What follows below is a detailed analysis of India’s continuing quest for acquiring the two SSGNs for both conventional strategic sea denial and strategic nuclear deterrence.

    It was in the mid-Eighties that Navy HQ was promised by both the then government-in-power as well as the Defence Research & Development Organisation (DRDO) that the IN would, by 2004 have an SSGN derivative of the indigenous nuclear-powered Advanced Technology Vessel (ATV) technology demonstrator. However, the break-up of the Soviet Union and the financial crisis of 1991 and the ‘Shakti’ series of five nuclear weapons tests of May 1998 all contributed to the ATV project’s R&D timetable being drastically revised, and its performance parameters being redrafted by late 2000. What the IN now wanted were SSGNs and at least one SSBN. According to Russia’s ministry of defence, the issue of dry-leasing up to two Akula-2 SSGNs was first discussed during talks which began in St Petersburg on 15 September 1999 between the then Chief of the Russian Navy Admiral Vladimir Kuroyedov and his Indian counterpart Admiral Sushil Kumar. The lease issue was firmly in the agenda of both India and Russia by October 2000 after both countries inked a Declaration of Strategic Partnership. In February 2001, Rosoboronexport State Corp’s Deputy General Director Viktor Komardin officially stated that India had expressed an interest in leasing a single SSGN. On 5 June 2001, however, Russian newspapers reported that India and Russia were planning to sign a contract by the end of 2001 for the completion of two unfinished Project 971A Shchuka-B SSGNs which were under construction at the Amursky Shipyard Komsomolsk-on-Amur (this being the Nerpa) and the Kuguar, whose construction at Sevmash FSUE in Severodvinsk) had begun in 1993. Russian defence ministry officials confirmed that this issue was discussed on June 4 during the inaugural meeting of the IRIGC-MTC in which Klebanov and India’s then defence and external affairs minister Jaswant Singh took part. On 26 January 2002 while visiting Amursky Shipyard, Admiral Vladimir Kuroyedov confirmed that Russia planned to lease two SSGNs to India. The terms of the yet-to-be-inked contract would include the training of IN submarine crews in Russia and the lease of two SSGNs for five years each, beginning in 2004. It was in late 2002 that the Cabinet Committee on National Security (CCNS) reportedly committed itself to acquire at least one SSGN for the IN based on purely China-centric threat perceptions. Consequently, Navy HQ firmed up its plans to dry-lease for a period of 10 years (with an option to increase it by another five years) the K-152 Nerpa (the Seal), a Project 971A Shchuka-B (Akula-2) SSGN whose keel was laid down in 1986 and has since been built by Russia’s Amursky Shipbuilding Plant JSC at Komsomolsk-on-Amur. The Letter of Intent for leasing the SSGN under ‘Project India’ was inked on 8 February 2002 in New Delhi during the 2nd session of the IRIGC-MTC between the then Russian deputy prime minister Ilya Klebanov and the then Indian defence minister George Fernandes. On 24 November 2002 final price negotiations for the lease began took place during Klebanov’s visit to New Delhi. Rosoboronexport officials then stated that fabrication of the two SSGNs will resume after India pays the first tranche of USD 100 million as per the contract. The final lease contract for only the Nerpa for the time-being, valued at USD 650 million (26 billion rupees), was inked in New Delhi on 20 January 2004.

    To be christened as INS Chakra, it will be commissioned on or around December 22 this year at Vladivostok and will arrive 15 days later at Vizag, HQ of the IN’s eastern Naval Command, after undertaking a ferry voyage through the Western Pacific and entering the Indian Ocean after transiting through the Lombok Straits. In January 2007, work began on modifying (at a cost of USD 135 million or 5.4 billion rupees) the SSGN to accept on board 12 BrahMos cruise missiles as well as TEST-71ME and TEST-71ME-NK torpedoes (built by Russia’s DVIGATEL FSUE and Region State Research & Production Enterprise) that will be fired from the SSGN’s six 533.4mm and four 650mm tubes. The Chakra commenced harbour trials last April and by last June had begun its sea trials. The SSGN will have a dived displacement of 13,800 tonnes, full dived speed of 33 Knots, operational diving depth of 520 metres and a hull-crush depth of 600 metres. The hull will also feature twin flank-array sonars for being used as a torpedo approach warning system, and a stern-mounted distinctive ‘bulb’ on top of the rudder housing an ultra-low frequency thin-line towed active/passive sonar array. INS Chakra’s crew complement will be all-Indian. Some 300 IN personnel, comprising three sets of crews, have for the past three and half years been extensively trained and type-rated to man the SSGN at a specially built secure facility in the town of Sosnovy Bor near St Petersburg in Russia. The IN will be using this first of two such SSGNs (the second one is believed to christened as INS Chitra) for the following:

    • Undertaking anti-submarine patrols along the southeastern and southwestern parts of the Indian Ocean.

    • Establishing a series of restricted submarine patrol sectors in far-flung areas of the Indian Ocean to allow persistent undersea warfare operations unimpeded by the operation of, or possible attack from, friendly or hostile forces in wartime; and without submerged mutual interference in peacetime.

    • Perfecting the art of communicating with submerged SSGNs using VLF, UHF SATCOMS, SHF and EHF frequencies, and using maritime surveillance/ASW aircraft as mission controllers for the SSGNs.

    • Exploring ways of evolving a robust and nuclear first strike-survivable two-way communications system comprising shore-based, airborne and submerged elements to ensure that the SSGN’s commander receives explicit rules of engagement and strategic targeting data.

    • Analysing the pros and cons of having either a decentralised C³ network for certain types of missions, or a tightly centralised network by developing command automation via network-centric warfare strategies.

    • Trying to achieve submarine internet protocol connectivity and working on solutions that will deliver a reduction in time latency, increased throughput and the ability to maintain communications at speed and depth. One technology demonstrator already developed by the DRDO by still classified comprises a submarine- or air-launched recoverable tethered optical fibre (RTOF) buoyant 450mm diameter buoy which, upon reaching the surface, deploys a low-frequency acoustic projector to a preset depth, enabling reach-forward from the Fleet Command’s SSGN operating authority via a built-in SATCOM antenna. A pager is then activated via SATCOM and paging and target cueing messages are sent to the submarine at a data rate of 2.4kb/second. Consideration is also being given to the use of a swimming communications device, such as an autonomous underwater vehicle (AUV), which would surface to exchange data via SATCOM via a repeatable 32kb/second communications window, and then return to the host SSGN for download. A prototype AUV for undertaking such operations has already been developed by the DRDO.

    • Use of RTOF buoys, which provide data rates of around 32kb/second while the SSGN is cruising at 8 Knots and is more than 244 metres underwater. The IN’s longer-term network-centric vision includes the use of distributed undersea networks, offering the submarine a network of known underwater nodes to be used to download large amounts of information, while remaining at depth. The concept calls for a field of acoustic sensors, UHF local area network-linked platforms and SATCOM buoys.

    • Establishing a protocol for undertaking deep-sea crew rescue and salvage operations using the IN’s yet-to-be-acquired remotely operated rescue vehicles (RORV) and related launch-and-recovery system (LARS) and a fully integrated self-contained emergency life support system (ELSS) package.

    However, it must be noted that the acquisition of INS Chakra give by no means India the long-awaited third leg of the nuclear triad. Neither will the SSGN come under the tri-service Strategic Forces Command. Simply put, the Akula-2 SSGN will be armed with BrahMos cruise missiles which, along with the on-board torpedoes, will give the SSGN a formidable sea-denial capability along a 200nm arc contiguous to India’s coastline as well as in the Indian Ocean Region. Russia, which adheres to the Missile Technology Control Regime along with the NPT and START-2 treaties, is obligated to ensure that INS Chakra does not carry on board any nuclear weapon whatsoever. Furthermore, the SSGN’s employment in wartime too will be highly restricted and its rules of engagement will have to be cleared with Moscow, thus limiting India’s operational sovereignty over the SSGN. In fact, it is due to this very reason that the ATV project is being undertaken to ensure that India’s nuclear deterrent, in the long run, remains effective, enduring, diverse, flexible, and responsive to the requirements of credible minimum deterrence.
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    Russia to deliver Admiral Gorshkov to India after 2011


    GELENDZHIK (South Russia), September 5 (RIA Novosti) - Russia will deliver the modernized Admiral Gorshkov aircraft carrier to India after 2011, Russia's state-run arms exporter said on Friday.

    "We are planning to deliver the aircraft carrier to India after 2011, but an addendum to the original contract must be signed," Mikhail Zavaliy, a Rosoboronexport official told reporters at an air show in the Krasnodar Region.

    The original $750-million contract to deliver the Admiral Gorshkov aircraft carrier to India, which Rosoboronexport signed with the Indian Navy in 2004, projected the work would be completed in 2008.

    However, Russia later claimed it underestimated the scale and the cost of the modernization and demanded an additional $1.2 billion, which New Delhi said was "exorbitant."

    After long-running delays and disputes, Russia and India agreed in February to raise refit costs for the aircraft carrier, docked at the Sevmash shipyard in northern Russia for the past 12 years,

    by at least $800 million.

    The current contract covers a complete overhaul of the ship and equipping it with modern weaponry, including MiG-29K Fulcrum aircraft and Ka-27 Helix-A and Ka-31 Helix-B anti-submarine helicopters.

    The carrier, renamed the Vikramaditya, is to replace India's INS Viraat carrier, which, although currently operational, is now 50 years old.

    The Sevmash shipyard said on June 3 it planned to sail the aircraft carrier out into the Barents Sea for trials in 2011. In early 2012, the ship is expected to be finally refitted and trials will continue into the summer of that year.

    At the end of 2012, the aircraft carrier is expected to be fully prepared for its handover to the Indian navy, the company said.

    After it has been refitted, the Gorshkov is expected to be seaworthy for 30 years.

    Bloody Great, That is now 1.2 billion over budget and 4 years late! Nice going Russia, way to fvck yourself with the Indians!

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    Antony to focus on defence cooperation during US visit
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    New Delhi, Sep 4 : Defence Minister A.K. Antony will meet US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Secretary of Defence Robert M. Gates during his visit to the US Sep 7-10.

    Antony is travelling to the US at the invitation Gates, who visited India this February.

    “During his visit, the defence minister is scheduled to hold meetings with Gates on important bilateral issues relating to defence. He will also be meeting National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley and US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice,” a defence ministry statement said Thursday.

    The delegation will comprise of Defence Secretary Vijay Singh, Director General (Acquisitions) and three senior officers from the army, navy and air force. Antony last visited the USA in June 2005.

    “The discussions are expected to include the regional security scenario and matters of mutual concern,” the statement said.

    Antony will also visit the Arlington National Cemetery and lay a wreath at the tomb of the Unknown Soldier and the Air Force Memorial.

    His visit comes at a time when three important Indo-US pacts are close to be finalized.

    Under one of the pacts, the Logistics Support Agreement (LSA), the Indian and US militaries can refuel ships and aircraft in cashless transactions that are balanced at the end of the year.

    Apart from the LSA, the other pacts are the Communication Inter-operability and Security Memorandum of Agreement (CISMOA) that will enable the two militaries communicate on a common platform, and an end-user agreement governing the sale of US military hardware to India.

    These pacts have been on the backburner for long due to the objections of the Left parties. With the communists having withdrawn their outside support to the government and the UPA government winning a trust vote in parliament, the way is now clear for inking the agreements, a defence ministry official said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adux View Post
    Russia to deliver Admiral Gorshkov to India after 2011




    Bloody Great, That is now 1.2 billion over budget and 4 years late! Nice going Russia, way to fvck yourself with the Indians!
    Why did India order it the first place?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snoshi View Post
    Why did India order it the first place?
    There was nothing else in the market, the whole point of Gorshkov was a quick replacement! And now it is coming after or on the same time as our Indigenous Aircraft Carrier, Coming online in 2011. Russia will be delievering the MiG-29K on time, We expect 4 MiG-29K's this month!

    We have one carrier being built in my city as we speak, as soon as that is online, the second one is already sanctioned, By 2017, We have a sanctioned plan to have a 3 carrier Navy. By 2022, It is rumored to be a 5 Carrier Navy of roughlt 45000 tons to 60,000 tons, Other than these there are a number of LPD's and LHA's being proposed, the USS Trenton is for understanding and creating a doctrine!

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    India may become manufacturing hub for Airbus 350 XWB jets news

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    Indian aviation may be in the dumps currently with airlines cutting down on operations and passengers gravitating towards trains, but aircraft manufacturer Airbus continues to remain upbeat about its future in India. Not only is the European major expecting the next wave of orders from India's airlines in three to four years' time, it is also considering the country as one of the key centres for design and development of its long-haul A350 plane, set to take on rival Boeing's much publicized 787 Dreamliner.
    ''As Air India, Jet Airways and Kingfisher Airlines look to compete in the international arena there is likely to be need for more aircraft. We expect that the next big wave of orders will come in 2011-12 by when these airlines will have completed the delivery of the aircraft already ordered. The airlines will need aircraft to continue on the growth path that they have embarked on. Besides, there will also be need for freighter aircraft,'' Dr Kiran Rao, Executive Vice- President, Sales and Marketing, Airbus, said.
    Commenting on the current downturn in the sector, Dr Rao insisted that its Indian customers have not cancelled any order of the flagship A-380 planes and the merger of Kingfisher-Deccan led to a combined order of 200 aircraft, though the airline has asked for rescheduling of deliveries. (See: Kingfisher Airlines defers A320 deliveries)
    "All other airlines will get planes on schedule as there is no request for deferred deliveries. We were in touch with Kingfisher-Deccan when the merger was on and felt that together the aircraft intake could not be as fast as for two different airlines. Airbus offers flexibility of schedule to customers and that's what happened with Kingfisher," Dr Rao, who was in India to attend Kingfisher's launch of global operation, said. (See: Deccan Aviation-Kingfisher Airlines cleared to commence international services)

    As for the future, he was largely positive. Although there would be a slackening of the fervent pace as seen in recent years, he still felt that growth would by no means stop. "In 2008, all planes are being delivered as per schedule. In 2009 and 2010, instead of 50 planes, we will be delivering 40 planes every year - one every week," he said.
    Without going into specifics, Dr Rao pointed out that both Boeing and Airbus had predicted that India would require about 1,000 aircraft over the next 20 years. ''Airbus and Boeing together have already delivered about 500 aircraft. My guess is that about 250 aircraft will be required in the next wave of deliveries while another wave of deliveries of about the same number will see the domestic airline industry touch 1,000 aircraft deliveries over the next 20 years,'' he said. (See: India's aviation sector needs 1,000 planes over 20 years: Airbus andIndia to be world's largest civil aviation market by 2025: Society of Indian Aerospace Technologies and Industries)
    Moreover, he announced plans to make India an Airbus hub. Designing work for the A350 is the next project for the Airbus Engineering Centre India, the company's high-tech aircraft component manufacturing facility in Bangalore, which started functioning in April last year.
    "The A350 is the next big project for us. The engineers at the facility are currently working on the development of tools to design the aircraft. We will soon get the software for analyzing the stress and strain on aeroplanes. We are working on the structural analysis of the aircraft among other things,'' Dr Rao said.
    He said that Airbus was recruiting engineers for the work every month. The centre has 35 engineers and the number is supposed to grow to 300 in the next four years.

    The A350 XWB (Xtra Wide Body), the new and improved version of the A350, has been built to take on the Boeing 777 family and some of the models of the Boeing 787. The aircraft has a wider fuselage, which makes it possible for it to accommodate nine people in every row.
    "We have already sold (which means received orders) 480 A350s, out of which 15 to 20 are being bought by Kingfisher," said Rao. The aircraft will be put into service from 2013.
    Airbus has been looking at various ways to use India for both component manufacture, as well as leverage its research and development potential. The first manufacturing agreement was with Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd in 1998 to make doors for the A320.
    "More than half the doors for the Airbus 320 are produced in Bangalore. And as we increase the production of A320s to 40 aircraft a month, which is the largest number of civil aircraft ever produced per month in the aviation industry history, more than 20 sets of doors will be produced in Bangalore every month," said Rao.
    http://www.domainb.com/aero/aero_mfg..._xwb_jets.html

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    Japan, Korea seek to further defence ties with India


    NEW DELHI, AUG 29 (PTI)

    Japan and South Korea have sought to address their common concern over China's naval expansion plans by roping in India for carrying out bilateral military exercises, particularly of the Navy.

    During the recent official visit of Indian Navy chief Admiral Sureesh Mehta to the two far-Eastern nations, their Defence and Naval top brass have discussed the possibility of closer defence interaction through joint, advanced military exercises, aimed at increasing inter-operability.

    "Considering that Japan and South Korea have the same concerns over China's plans to increase the strength of the Peoples Liberation Army (Navy), they have sought joint exercises and increased cooperation between the militaries, especially the Navy," top Defence sources told PTI here today.


    India, on the other hand, has explored the possibility of interaction between the Naval shipyards of both Japan and South Korea with its own shipyards, both private and government-owned, sources said.

    Another critical area of cooperation that New Delhi proposed during the Mehta's visit was in the area of defence research and development.

    "The Navy chief has proposed to both Japan and Korea that their defence reseach organisations and India's DRDO could work together for positive spin-offs. Since their defence research in critical areas such as Metallurgy is far superior, it could benefit India the most," sources said.

    During the Japan visit, the Navy chief met Defence Minister Shigaro Ishiba and Vice Minister Kohei Mansouda, apart from top naval officers Admiral Takeshi Saito and Admiral Eiji Yoshil, when he discussed for the first time staff-level talks between the nations from this year onwards.

    On the other hand, Korean Minister for National Defence Lee San Hee and Chief of Naval Operations Admiral Jung Ok-Keon proposed the same to Navy chief, which the latter readily accepted, sources said.

    The two countries also agreed to increase exercises, both bilateral and multi-lateral, with the Indian Navy, they said.

    Only last week, Japanese warships Kashima, Ashari and Umigari carried out exercises with an Indian Delhi-class destroyer and a Corvette in Arabian Sea off Mumbai on their onward journey to their home ports. They were returning from their patrolling off the Afghanistan coast, as part of the allied forces waging a war against terror there.

    Considering that both Japan and Korea's energy interest and their Sea Lanes of Communication (SLOCs) lying in the Indian Ocean Region, the two countries were looking at long-term pay-offs in their defence relations with India, sources added.

    They were also looking at gains in the Indian shipyards through cooperation in the shipbuilding Industry here.


    http://www.outlookindia.com/pti_news.asp?id=604144

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    I want Austria and Ireland, imposed the worst we can give in hospitality, trade etc and not mention give them best possible diplomatic snubs as possible!

    I am beggining to the believe the term Euro-Wussie's

    At the same time I take this obscure post that nobody would ever read, would love to extend my greatest thanks and admiration to the US, Russia, UK and France, Especially the US. It was heart warming to see them lead the charge in the NSG for India.

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    Finally it is good to see Japan and South Korea coming in the same platform!
    Now only if we can get the Russians on board too!...(Tough luck)

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    RUssia is very close to India, where else does it need to go.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRussian1 View Post
    RUssia is very close to India, where else does it need to go.....
    I meant if Russia and US can get its differences aside. I sincerely believe the current situation is counter productive for the Americans in the long run. The real enemy is going to be different and they thrive on US, Russia, India and other like minded countries killing each other off!

    PS: It will be long time before US ever reaches the same status as Russia in Indian diplomatic and populace hearts.

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    Newzealand, Australia, Austria, Ireland for some reasons unknown to me are diplomatically and politically very anti Indian. Is there any religious or racial angle to it? Because all these countries have strong baptist and roman catholic leanings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VAMAN View Post
    Newzealand, Australia, Austria, Ireland for some reasons unknown to me are diplomatically and politically very anti Indian. Is there any religious or racial angle to it? Because all these countries have strong baptist and roman catholic leanings.
    It has got nothing to do with any of those!
    It has to do with lesser countries having more diplomatic leverage than they should, as well as their utopian attitude against Big countries, as their anti-nuke energy stances, Liberalism etc etc
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    Australia is supporting India, Kevin Rudd (A mandarin speaker) is more leaning towards China, and not mention he is a leftie
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