Reply With QuoteAgreed regarding US and Russian cooperation being fruitful for both.Originally Posted by Adux
isnt 2008 year of Russia in India, and next year it will be year of India in Russia?
Australia has a large Indian migrant population, can't say I have heard of any anti Indian sentiment here, although as Adux says our PM does seem to be in love with China atm.
Alfa
Agreed regarding US and Russian cooperation being fruitful for both.
isnt 2008 year of Russia in India, and next year it will be year of India in Russia?
Is there a lot of cooperation between the USA and Russia now?
When were they more diverse, with clinton, or with this administration?
NZ/Australia Govt are not 'anti-Indian'. No tinfoil hat conspiracies here please. Political decision made regards India are taken within a context of our obligations to treaties and to our own national interest. Which will not always align with India (or for that matter China).
...and what does being 'Baptist/Roman Catholic' have to to with anything? No politician (whatever their religion or belief) in Australia approaches Indian relations with a religious view. Our politicians tend to respect that India is by and large a democracy.
It is so heartening to see China, Ireland, New Zeland and Austria in the same camp! Good to see the Commie's coming out of the woodwork!
You're not making any sense. Provide a frame of reference. Why are Austria, Ireland and NZ 'commie'? It's ridiculous rhetoric. Have you even been to those countries?
FFS.
INDIA MAKES HISTORY AT NSG!!!
wait for the official announcements
China says it backs India’s nuclear ambitions
China says it backs India’s nuclear ambitions
China said it supported India’s nuclear plans and hoped for a middle ground at crucial ongoing talks in Vienna, as Indian officials elbowed their way towards getting the freedom to buy nuclear fuel from across the world.
The exclusive comments from Chinese Assistant Foreign Minister Hu Zhengyue were sent to the Hindustan Times on the same evening when reports from Vienna said China had tried to stonewall a quick waiver for India at discussions of the Nuclear Suppliers Group.
“Both China and India are major developing countries in rapid economic development. The two countries need secure, reliable and clean energy,” Hu, 55, said in a written interview. “Therefore, China understands India’s needs for civil nuclear energy and related international cooperation.”
The comments were made ahead of the visit of Chinese Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi to India beginning Monday.
India says it needs Uranium imports to fuel its booming economy, one of the fastest growing in the world. It has also refused to sign the nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty, calling it discriminatory.
So if it wants to get Uranium without signing the treaty, India must get a waiver from the 45-country NSG, which regulates international trade in nuclear fuel.
Asked whether China supported such a waiver for India, Hu said: “Relevant issues are being addressed in the NSG. China hopes that NSG will find an appropriate solution that strikes a balance between nuclear non-proliferation and peaceful use of nuclear energy.”
A Chinese official separately told HT that despite the reports from Vienna, “our position has not changed from the text of the (HT) interview.”
The razor-edge NSG meetings, which could still go either way, are the final lap of a long journey that India has pursued for more than two years.
India’s journey began with an unprecedented agreement in March 2006 that led to the United States changing its laws especially for India to allow Washington to sell Uranium to India going only by its word and past good conduct on nuclear affairs.
The battle then went to the International Atomic Energy Agency, and now is being fought at Vienna.
“China believes all countries have the rights to peaceful use of nuclear energy and conducting related international cooperation based on the precondition of honouring international nuclear non-proliferation obligations,” Hu said.
He also commented on several other issues related to India-China relations. Here are some excerpts from the interview, the full text of which can be read at www.hindustantimes.com
Relations strongest ever
“In the first half of 2008, the two-way trade reached US$29 billion, up by 68.7 per cent over the corresponding period of last year. It is the fastest growth rate among China's top 10 trading partners.
India must relax restrictions:
“The total trade volume at the Nathu La border trade market was only over RMB4 million (Rs. 2.4 crores) in 2007.
China … hopes that India will further relax and eventually eliminate restrictions on commodities for border trade, which will help fully mobilize the enthusiasm of the businesses of the two sides.”
Dalai Lama:
“This year, India adopted measures to ensure the safety of torch relay of Beijing Olympic Games in New Delhi, and check anti-China activities by activists for “Tibet independence” on more than one occasion. China appreciates this. We hope India will continue to abide by its commitments on Tibet-related issues.”
Alleged Chinese incursions:
“(The) China-India boundary has never been formally delimited … Pending an ultimate solution, China stands ready to work with India to maintain peace and tranquility in the border areas. The two countries signed (agreements on this in 1993 and 1996) … China is serious about these two agreements.”
Border dispute:
“There are still some outstanding issues left by history between the two sides ... It is necessary to proceed from the fundamental interests of the two countries and their peoples and find a fair and equitable solution acceptable to both. It is fair to say that positive progress has been made in negotiations on the related issues.”
http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryP...nt=strParentID
Ireland and Austrai, Yes! Whats your point! Do read about the NSG Saga that ended in India's favor today!
http://news.in.msn.com/national/arti...mentid=1661383
NSG says yes, India’s N-isolation ends
The waiver comes after 17 closed-door meetings between the NSG member nations spread over the past three days.
Vienna: India’s nuclear isolation of the past 34 years came to an end today with the 45-nation Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG) giving the waiver to New Delhi and Washington to operationalize the Indo-US nuclear deal.
The waiver comes after 17 closed-door meetings between the NSG member nations spread over the past three days during which India had to modify its statement on nuclear testing offering a unilateral moratorium.
The waiver from the NSG was announced simultaneously from Vienna and New Delhi, with National Security Advisor M K Narayanan making the statement this afternoon. Officials said that Austria was satisfied with the NSG draft presented by the Indian side last evening.
The deal, which was supported by the nuclear nations including the US, UK and France, found opposition from smaller nations like Austria, New Zealand and Ireland with China reportedly pushing these nations to oppose the deal.
Diplomats said while Austria and New Zealand were reportedly worried about nuclear proliferation issues and posturing to make an impact back home, China was concerned that an Indo-US nuclear deal could shift the power balance in Asia towards New Delhi.
Media reports said that US President George W. Bush had spoken to Prime Minister Dr. Manmohan Singh after the approval came through from Vienna and expressed satisfaction over NSG waiver.
Source: India Syndicate
I am referring to this comment. I'm at a loss to understand how you can define Ireland, NZ and Austria as 'commie'. It's rubbish rhetoric to suggest they are 'commie' simply because they've made an objection or have shown a reluctance to sign off on an agreement that would benefit Indian govt. They are liberal democracies who have responsibility to their own constituency to act in accordance to the mandate/policies they have been voted in on. Hardly the hallmark of a 'commie' state. Perhaps you need to brush up on your definitions?
Don't go jingoistic on me. I see enough of that from Chinese netizens.
It does benefit - The Indian People. Who needs power for Irrigation and other daily use. This benefits the Global community especially since they earned nearly $400 billion in the next 20 years, by sale of Nuclear Reactors to India, not to mention the less demand by India on coal, and other fuels. Which leads to less pollution and lowering of prices, and is a step in the right direction for Renewable Energy revolution!
Now, They are very very much aware of Indian Stand on CTBT, FMCT and NSG. They are also very much aware of our Clean Track Record. Therefore We dont like to be treated like North Korea or Pakistan! Not especially by China who is a known proliferator on Deng.
Again, Go into Indian track record!They are liberal democracies who have responsibility to their own constituency to act in accordance to the mandate/policies they have been voted in on. Hardly the hallmark of a 'commie' state. Perhaps you need to brush up on your definitions?
There is nothing Jingo. But you will have to accept my displeasure at their behaviour. We have been responsible global citizens, we demand to be treated as such. Nothing else.Don't go jingoistic on me. I see enough of that from Chinese netizens.
You've obviously misread my post. No-one here is arguing the 'benefits' only that you have smeared nations that are in disagreement with the Indian Govt position as 'commie' and puppets to a 'Mandarin puppet master'.
Read this part again. My response below, which I hope provides some clarification.
Mate, it's jingoistic talk when you claim that nations such as Austria, Ireland and NZ are 'commie' because they disagree with an Indian Govt request. No nation, not even the best of Allies will see eye to eye all the time. I understand your displeasure but such jingoistic talk detracts from reasonable discussion. Australia and NZ do not always see eye to eye over issues but we do not ascribe to them as somehow being 'commie' or some other cliche. We shrug our shoulders, they shrug theirs and we move on.
Look at it this way. You've probably seen some google/wiki maestro pop into a Kashmir thread, claim they know the score and all the players and then make some grand ****ouncement that is just jaw gaping stupid. You're that guy. If you knew anything about the Kiwis and the context of their position, you would realise that your comments are ridiculous. By all means have a go at the NZ govt for their policy but to call them puppets of China? Get real.
Supe,
I dont care about New Zealnad's, Ireland or Austria(I dont care two hoots about China) opinion about non-proliferation about Nuclear Weapons when it comes to India! Tell me which country has India proliferated to!
I can name in USA(UK & France), Soviet Union(to China), UK(France), France(UK) and China(to Pakistan) and less about Pakistan(but it is not signatory, so lets keep them aside), China being the latest of all NSG proliferators. So when Austria, Ireland and New Zealand's give us lecture on about proliferation, I have a problem with that.
India was only country which can talk about 'principled stand', We never stood in any allaince, we didnt agree to unequal treaties, we never ever proliferated and not mention even though we havent signed any of those treaties, we still honoured them. I am sorry, it is because of our this 'good character' and standing, that President Bush and 40 other countries, including IAEA is ready to give this ONE AND ONLY SPECIAL STATUS COUNTRY.
. If the three countries cant recognize this principled stand, then I am sorry they are no different than India's left.
Now, About the Commie comment, It is directly linked to the arguments above and the so called 'concerns' they tabled, which is filled with hypocrisy! And, It is well known fact most of these countries have been egged on by China, citing their trade and others with them. India was far more socialist and welfare state than those countries will ever be at one point of time. Their actions and talks in the veil of liberalism and non-proliferation is nothing but their own pent up prejudices. Their commie's who hide behind the term left, liberal etc etc, when in reality the line has blurred, and they are commie
Supe,
Ignore the above post, though I woundnt remove it.
India stood with the non-proliferation lobby, and still stands! India has never got the cake or eaten it. We are not Iran or North Korea!
We said, we will never sign it as we found it unequal, we got some reactors before from Canada and Russia prior to 1974 Nuclear Explosions by India, and we built our own reactors, We are one of the leaders in Thorium Nuclear Reactors!I am sure you will give us enough credit, that this nation is not filled with idiots!
We stood with Ireland, Austria, and New Zealand, for global non-proliferation! They know our stand, reputation and record. Such behavior from them towards us is UN-ACCEPTABLE!
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