the video ( I now the the riginal thread)
like that ?
And a config witch may never exist but is possible
Thanks for the video.
It says 1st day of "combat":
6 F16 down, 2 Rafales down.
THe US Pilots goes on and says the Rafale is an Agressive aircraft but the most important is the pilot's skill.
Regarding the F16 Vs. Raf above, do they usually release this kind of info to the public? I always thought the actual results of these kinds of meetings were kept between airforces, and not made public in detail...?
If true though, kudos to the FAF pilots and the Rafale!
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5iPX ... cGjcCIKrLg
[SIZE=4][*******blue]UAE eyes France's Rafale fighter[/COLOR][/SIZE]
Jun 5, 2008
ABU DHABI (AFP) — The United Arab Emirates said on Thursday it was mulling replacing its fleet of French Mirage 2000 combat planes with the multi-role Rafale, which has yet to find an export market.
"The UAE is seriously considering replacing its fleet of Mirage 2000 combat planes with the French new generation Rafale fighter starting in 2013," an official was quoted by the state WAM news agency as saying.
"Discussions on this issue are under way between the UAE government and France," he said.
The official did not give more details but the oil-rich Gulf country's purchase of the Rafale would be a major boost for Dassault Aviation's fourth-generation combat jet.
French President Nicolas Sarkozy immediately welcomed the announcement as "good news for France.
"The United Arab Emirates has been using French weaponry for a long time," he said in a statement. "They are looking at the Rafale to replace their fleet of 63 Mirage 2000 planes."
He said there was "no fixed dates, nor have commercial negotiations begun" but added that "discussions will be held in the coming weeks."
"In case a contract is signed, the first planes can be delivered from 2012 onwards."
Dassault are also makers of the Mirage 2000-9 combat planes, which the UAE bought in 1998.
Abu Dhabi purchased 30 Mirage 2000-9 in a 3.2-billion-dollar deal which included the modernisation of 33 other Mirages.
France is a leading military supplier to the UAE, which bought more than 400 Leclerc tanks from French firm GIAT in 1994.
During a visit by Sarkozy to Abu Dhabi in January, the two countries signed a deal under which Paris will set up its first permanent military base in the UAE.
The base will be set up in Abu Dhabi, the wealthiest and largest of the UAE's seven emirates.
It is due to become operational in 2009 and will eventually host 400-500 French army, navy and air force personnel, French officials have said.
"It will be the first such French base in the Gulf and it will face the Strait of Hormuz," the strategic waterway through which much of the world's oil supplies pass, a French presidential source said in January.
Abu Dhabi and Paris are linked by a 1995 defence pact under which their armed forces conduct regular joint manoeuvres in the UAE.
Dassault has yet to find a foreign buyer for the Rafale, which can carry out interception and reconnaissance missions as well as nuclear strikes. The French aerospace group is in talks with Libya over a possible sale.
Talks had taken place with Saudi Arabia on a possible deal, but the Gulf oil powerhouse eventually opted for Britain's Eurofighter jets.
This is such a beautiful aircraft
Wow, Rafael is a fine looking aircraft
The fact that a rafale is able to score a 3 to 1 ratio against a f16 who was/(still is) a benchmark for dogfighting is very encouraging.
Indeed, airframe performance is not the arena where there is the most dramatic improvements between 3th and 4th/5th gen aircrafts... The laws of aerodynamics are still the same and we are reaching a limit in terms of airframe/engine performance. Now it is place for optimization an incremental improvements waiting for breakthrough in technologies. So an f16 or a mig 29, even of the first generation are still serious oponents in a WVR gun dogfight especially in the hands of experimented pilots like those of the USAF who faced the rafale. (they were certainly not beginners)
plus the USAF's pilot comments (in the video) attests the rafale supremacy in the dogfight arena when he says that the rafale is a much more agressive aircraft than the f16 and that it has some unique capabilities. (the speaker/journalist also says that the american pilots were impressed by rafale power by the way...)
to sum up, this exercise doesn't give the whole picture of the rafale capabilities but stresses the quality of the design and airframe/engine performance against one of the benchmark of dogfighters. I think it is a nice piece of information...
a new piece of news coming from the french daily "le figaro" (august 6, 2008 page 4 from Renaud Girard)
It is dealing with the last rafale's deployement with the US (air force and navy). At a point of the article he quotes a top officer the "général de division aérienne Jean Luc Delon"
he states "confronted to the F18E superhornet, the most sophisticated aircraft from the US navy, our Rafale marine performed extremely well"
unfortunately we don't have any precisions about the type of engagement etc...
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Xav, thanks for posting the video (2nd). I think I also put it up in the Pic/Video Section, though I'm not sure. I've uploaded so many videos lately I've lost track. Also, they're all shot in HD, just click the link.
http://www.defense.gouv.fr/air/base/..._2008_le_bilanAt Nellis, in the desert west of U.S. Exercise Red Flag 08-04 "was completed Friday, August 22, on a finding convincing. "The two-seater Rafale have largely held their place within the international exercise" Red Flag 08-04, "said Lieutenant-Colonel Fabrice Grandclaudon, commander of the squadron 1 / 7" Provence "St. Dizier. This was an opportunity to demonstrate the versatility of the Rafale, the quality of our equipment and training of our pilots and navigators weapons systems officers (Nosa).
Twenty sailors were able to develop and coordinate air operations complex (COMAO - composite air operation), especially as the missions have gradually become more difficult. For two weeks, each participant had to do up to two sorties day and night.
On an area larger than Switzerland, crews have used all the potential of their aircraft (weapon system and sensors). Moreover, the Rafale has assessed its new Pod refund and exchange data in real time, called Semac (training system to air missions complex).
During the second week of the year, General Jean Pierre Martin, commander of the Air Force, went to the Nellis Air Force Base. He was welcomed by General Hoog (director of central electronic warfare) and Colonel Neubeck (commander of the 414th squadron combat training). The general visited the site and building the "Red Flag" and "Green Flag". By the way, Mirage F1 CT Colmar participate in the exercise "Green Flag" in early September.
Finally, "Red Flag" has built mutual trust between the participating units. "This exercise provides an opportunity to lead us in a realistic environment and work in close cooperation with other air forces. The experience is valuable because we can be led to find ourselves in Afghanistan, "says a pilot
Maybe USAF wants to train against Mirage F1 possibly used by Iranian Air Force?The general visited the site and building the "Red Flag" and "Green Flag". By the way, Mirage F1 CT Colmar participate in the exercise "Green Flag" in early September.
What is Green Flag about?