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    Quote Originally Posted by Mordoror View Post
    ^^

    right

    although i guess that the signature between the SU30MKI and the venezuelian SU30 are not exactly the same (different electroic suits)
    but a flight near the venezuelian/brazilain border will fix that pretty quickly
    Submarine recording off the coast undetected is a better way as it then makes your target do everything nice and natural without trying to hide any capabilities.

    Not saying they have, its just a great way to learn about aircraft and its capabilities.

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    Brazil Muddles F-X2 Fighter Downselect

    Brazil has taken two steps forward and one step back in its potential purchase of the Dassault Rafale fighter, but the details of France’s associated aid in development of the Embraer KC-390 tanker/transport remain unclear.

    The announcement by Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva in favor of the Rafale does not appear to be final, although the fighter has been seen as a strong candidate and its position was strengthened by da Silva’s Sept. 7 independence day statement that negotiations to buy 36 Rafales were to commence.

    The defense ministry, however, quickly pointed out that the FX-2 program has not come to an end, and that it was still in talks with all three bidders: Saab offering the Gripen NG, Boeing with the F/A-18E/F and Dassault.

    Da Silva’s announcement, in the presence of his French counterpart, Nicolas Sarkozy, in effect derailed what had been viewed as a well-run source selection process. The Brazilian president spoke before the country’s air force was even able to submit its technical evaluation, according to industry officials.

    France has been aggressively courting Brazil, not just for the Rafale but as part of a broader strategic relationship. In addition to offering to aid the KC-390 development, it will assist in that of a nuclear submarine.

    Brazil also has committed to buying 50 EC725 transport helicopters, as well as conventional submarines. In endorsing the Rafale, da Silva said that buying the French aircraft “is the consolidation of a strategic *partnership.”

    If the Rafale prevails, it will mark the first export order for the Dassault aircraft, which is the only Western fighter on the export market that has yet to achieve a sale. And, unlike some other deals in the works—such as in the *United Arab Emirates and Libya—it would have come through competition, even if the process ends up being a somewhat tainted one.

    Delivery of the Rafale to Brazil would begin in 2013-14. The aircraft configuration being offered includes an active electronically scanned array radar France hopes to introduce into service in 2013.

    The initial weapons package associated with Dassault’s Rafale bid comprises the radar and imaging infrared versions of the MBDA Mica air-to-air missile (AAM), as well as the Sagem AASM air-to-surface weapon. The Denel Dynamics A-Darter short-range AAM, a South African development in which Brazil is a partner, would also almost certainly be integrated.

    Another weapon that Brazil might require to be included is the AMR-1 *anti-radiation missile built by Brazilian manufacturer Mectron. Boeing’s F/A-18E/F offer included a small number of Raytheon AGM-88 HARM missiles for defense suppression.

    For France, the deal is of importance not just because of the ties to Brazil. It also could allow Paris to slow the rate of its own Rafale purchases when the government is looking to save money. Paris was locked into preserving the Rafale procurement rate at the minimum sustainable level. Brazil’s order, and potentially others, would ensure the production line could be sustained even if France curtails its annual spending.

    A key issue to securing the deal in Brazil is technology transfer, and France has chosen to provide that by aiding the development of the KC-390 twin-turbofan tanker/transport. Paris also indicated it may buy 12 of the aircraft.

    Brazil’s decision to allow the technology transfer to take place not on the core fighter program but on an unrelated project was a surprise, says an official at one of the other bidding companies.
    It also could upset Washington, which struggled to satisfy Brazil’s extensive demands for technology transfer and tried to devise an alternate approach.

    Embraer launched the KC-390 this year and is still working on system requirements with the Brazilian air force, although it is making progress toward freezing the basic design, a company official says.

    The aircraft maker also has started reaching out to potential suppliers, including those for the 27,000-lb.-thrust powerplants. The KC-390 is to carry 19 metric tons of payload and have a ferry range of around 3,300 naut. mi.

    Seeking more buyers for the aircraft, Embraer is in talks with other governments as well as non-military customers, such as the Brazilian postal service.

    The French commitment could be viewed as a double blow to the U.S., too, where some officials have harbored hopes that Paris would have to buy at least a small number of Lockheed Martin C‑130Js due to the Airbus A400M military airlifter debacle. Even though the KC-390 will not be fielded for several more years, the prospect of a C-130J commitment from France is now looking less likely.

    Exactly how French companies will aid development of the KC-390 has yet to be clarified.

    In the fighter realm, the three contenders for Brazil’s program are squaring off as well in India, where the MiG-29 and F-16 are also in the running. The Gripen, Rafale and Eurofighter Typhoon are competing in Switzerland for a 22-fighter program, too. Boeing pulled its F/A-18E/F out of that contest.
    http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...r%20Downselect

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    The MAR-1 is an air-to-surface, medium-range, anti-radiation missile developed by Mectron for the Brazilian Air Force. The weapon primary goal is to take out radar sites used by surface-to-air missile systems and air defense systems. Brazil sold as many as 100 of such missiles to Pakistan in April 2008 in a deal worth $160 million.
    http://www.patricksaviation.com/phot....ricjam/12816/

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    rafale wins mmrca-competition ...on livefist
    http://livefist.blogspot.com/2009/09...tition-on.html

    yes its a joke but i didn't know the Rafale was so popular among indian military aviation fans

    more seriously:

    Rafale lands in Bangalore

    The multi-role combat aircraft is said to meet IAF’s requirements
    ‘Dassault prepared to transfer all the technology to India’
    Rafale will fly to Leh and Jaisalmer for trial flights

    BANGALORE: Rafale, the French built fighter aircraft and one of the six fighters competing for the Indian Air Force’s (IAF’s) multi-billion dollar multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) deal is in Bangalore. Two twin-engine delta-wing multi-role fighters designed and built by France’s Dassault Aviation and piloted by IAF and French pilots have been undertaking flights – which are part of the MMRCA flight trials — from Bangalore’s HAL Airport since Tuesday.

    Officials said the two French aircraft had flown non-stop to Bangalore from Dassault’s Flight Test Centre at Istres in France, thanks to the fighter’s in-flight refuelling capabilities.

    One of the most modern fourth generation fighters, the Rafale is in use with the French Air Force, and the French Navy for their carrier-based operations. Officials said the Rafale met all the air staff qualitative requirements sought by the IAF and that Dassault was prepared to transfer all the technology that was required by the Indian side. They pointed out that the Rafale had a functioning Active Electronically Scanned Array radar.

    Dassault’s bid had the strong backing of the Nicolas Sarkozy Government.

    Piloted by IAF and French pilots, the two trainer aircraft will be based in Bangalore for the next fortnight, flying over, and in and out of Bangalore as they take part in the first phase of the flight trials. During the two weeks the aircraft will fly to Leh for the high altitude/cold weather trials and Jaisalmer for the hot weather trials.

    Dassault’s technicians, pilots and maintenance crew will train and show IAF test pilots and flight test engineers the capabilities and uniqueness of the Rafale.

    Besides the IAF test crews, the specially formed Indian Evaluation Team has representatives from the Ministry of Defence, Hindustan Aeronautics Limited, the Defence and Research Development Organisation, Directorate-General of Aeronautical Quality Assurance and Air Headquarters. Two evaluations teams have been formed for the MMRCA flight trials.

    The next phase of flight trials will involve weapon firing trials in the country of the aircraft’s manufacturer. Besides the Rafale the other aircraft in contention for the $ 10 billion to $12 billion deal are Boeing’s F/A-18, Lockheed Martin’s F-16IN Super Viper, the European Aeronautic Defence and Space Company’s Eurofighter Typhoon, Russia’s Mikoyan MiG-35 and Sweden’s Gripen JAS-39.
    http://www.hindu.com/2009/09/26/stor...2655470500.htm

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    Various exclusive views from Rafale's OSF (irst), HUD and mapping radar mode (bottom right)


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    Details about the above: In this order:

    OSF IR / OSF TV
    HUD Mica IR / Hydraulic page
    HUD Terrain Following mode / RBE2 ISAR picture

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    Rafale Deal Takes jets to new levels
    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_o_no4M2xEP.../s1600-h/1.JPG

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    Radar mapping is something that theoretically can be done with PESA radars, but is promoted as something exclusive for AESA systems.

    The mapping picture is interesting, of course

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    Ι believe that even traditional, mechanical scan Doppler RADARs can do ground mapping, like AN/APG-70 of the Strike Eagle or the AN/APG-69 of the F-16

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    I was told the resolution and quality of this radar mapping was amazing and above standard

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    am I right in thinking the entire Brazil--->Rafale<---France deal was one of "I'll scratch your back if you'll scratch mine"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by happyslapper View Post
    am I right in thinking the entire Brazil--->Rafale<---France deal was one of "I'll scratch your back if you'll scratch mine"?
    What do you mean by this expression?

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    I'll buy your planes if you buy mines?

    We'll, personally, i see it as win win situation.

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    Sounds like bad news for Rafale in India.

    If the article is truth, then Dassault can only blame themselves...

    IAF's $11-bn order may become larger
    Ajai Shukla / New Delhi October 16, 2009, 0:36 IST

    India may go beyond the purchase of 126 medium multi-role combat aircraft.



    The winner’s jackpot could soon become even bigger in what is already the world’s most lucrative fighter aircraft tender: India’s proposed purchase of 126 medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) for an estimated Rs 51,000 crore ($11 billion).

    The reason is a breakdown in India’s long negotiations with Dassault Aviation, the French aircraft manufacturer, for upgrading 51 Indian Air Force Mirage-2000 fighters. According to senior IAF sources, Dassault has refused to reduce its quota of Rs 10,000 crore ($2.1 billion) for extending the service life of the IAF’s Mirage-2000 fleet by fitting new radars and avionics. The Ministry of Defence (MoD) considers this price — Rs 196 crore ($41 million) per aircraft — unacceptably high, given that the airframes and engines will not be changed.

    In comparison, each of the 126 brand-new, next-generation MMRCAs will cost some Rs 400 crore ($87 million) per aircraft. That includes the cost of technology transfers, as well as capital costs for setting up a manufacturing line in India. Once those costs are amortised, additional MMRCAs would be significantly cheaper.

    Dassault’s India head, Posina V Rao, did not return multiple phone calls from Business Standard. MoD sources say Rao is engaged in last-ditch attempts to salvage the deal.

    But, the MoD is veering around to the view that the Mirage-2000 fleet should continue service in its current form. After six squadrons (126 aircraft) of MMRCAs have entered IAF service, an additional two squadrons of MMRCAs would be built to replace the 51 Mirage-2000 fighters. That amounts to a 40 per cent rise in the MMRCA’s numbers.

    Israeli aerospace companies have reportedly entered the fray, offering to upgrade the Mirage-2000 for half the price being quoted by Dassault. The MoD, however, is not inclined to accept that offer.

    Price negotiations for the Mirage-2000 upgrade have travelled a rocky road over two years. Initially, Dassault quoted Rs 13,500 crore ($2.9 billion), which it brought down to the current level of Rs 10,000 crore ($2.1 billion) after the IAF diluted its upgrade requirements. But the MoD believes Dassault’s reduced bid only reflects the diluted requirements, rather than any flexibility on the latter’s part.

    The IAF, traditionally a staunch supporter of Dassault and the Mirage-2000 fighter, is apparently changing its views. Dassault, say pilots, has badly damaged its credibility during the recent negotiations by arm-twisting the IAF over the supply of spares for the Mirage-2000 fleet.

    The Gwalior-based IAF squadrons that currently fly the Mirage-2000 are Number 1 squadron (Tigers) and Number 7 squadron (Battle Axes).

    Five of the six contenders for the MMRCA contract — Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Eurofighter, Gripen and RAC MiG — know they could reap handsome gains, through larger fighter orders, if India chooses not to upgrade the Mirage-2000. The sixth contender, Dassault Aviation itself, realises failure to negotiate the Mirage-2000 upgrade contract could seriously damage the chances of its Rafale fighter for the MMRCA contract.

    The fighters in contention for the MMRCA contract are sequentially undergoing flight trials and evaluation, which the IAF expects to complete by April 2010. It will take another six months to finalise the trial report and send that to the MoD, which will then announce the winner of the contract.
    http://www.business-standard.com/ind...larger/373419/

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    Stealth Rafale upgrade concept

    F4 or F5 standard maybe?

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