Ditto. No-play was what I'm told.
Thxs ChimeraOriginally Posted by Chimera
, i was waiting this report in le Point or Secret-Defense but it seems Jean-Marc Tanguy's blog is now one of the best source about the french army.
http://secretdefense.blogs.liberatio...urnaliste.html
It could help the rafale UAE deal.
Dassault vs Lockheed
http://military.einnews.com/login.ph...D267175051&n=1UAE Examines Rafale Configuration
* December 14, 2009
ABU DHABI [MENL] -- The United Arab Emirates has been negotiating over the price and configuration of the advanced Rafale fighter-jet.
Industry sources said France's Dassault Aviation has presented a series of Rafale configuration options to the UAE. The sources said the two sides have not agreed on either aircraft subsystems or the price.
"The UAE is interested in Rafale, but wants a plane that is significantly better than what it has now," an industry source said. "This would involve replacing radar and other vital subsystems [in Rafale] as well as additional R&D [research and development]."
The UAE has been examining an offer by Dassault for the sale of up to 60
Rafale C fighters deployed by the French Air Force. Dassault, which envisions a staged process, has requested as much as $10 billion for the aircraft as well as weapons and support. France was said to already supply about half of the equipment in the UAE military.
The negotiations have included the UAE's request for an enhanced AESA radar, upgraded M-88 engines and air-to-air and air-to-ground missiles. The sources said the two sides appear to have resolved most of the issues.
The Dassault offer was based on a unit price of $100 million per Rafale.
The aircraft, however, would require a separate support infrastructure despite the UAE fleet of Mirage 2000-9 fighters, also produced by Dassault.
France has already agreed to reacquire the Mirage 2000-9 fleet in any Rafale sale with the UAE, the sources said. The UAE has a fleet of more than 60 Mirage 2000-9 and upgraded 2000-5 aircraft.
The sources said Rafale's chief competitor has been the F-16 multi-role fighter by Lockheed Martin. The UAE has been deploying 80 F-16 Block 60 aircraft as part of a $6.8 billion deal.
"The UAE Air Force is quite pleased with the F-16, and the feeling is that with all the money already invested in logistics infrastructure, the F-16 fleet should be expanded," the source said.
In May 2009, Dassault chief executive officer Charles Edelstenne accompanied French President Nicolas Sarkozy to the UAE for the opening of France's first military base in the Gulf. The French military presence was expected to include Rafale fighters at the UAE's Al Dhafra air base.
"The French base could be the key to any UAE decision to buy Rafale," the source said. "Dassault could promise to share Rafale logistics and maintenance with the French Air Force in the UAE and maintain constant training in Abu Dhabi."
http://menewsline.com/view.aspx?aid=18442
http://www.defense.gouv.fr/defense/v..._decembre_2009
http://translate.google.co.uk/transl...n&hl=&ie=UTF-8
More details in the "archives" soon
Ouch! Rafale kicked ass of Typhoon... This 4.5 generation warplane appears really far ahead of its competitors now.Thxs Chimera
http://secretdefense.blogs.liberatio...urnaliste.html
It could help the rafale UAE deal.
Really interesting.
So nothing published yet?
Yes but it could be the pilots' skills too or rules of engagements favouring the Rafale more than the Typhoon.
Im more impressed by the last part of the article:
[...] The Rafale, it is understood, has greatly improved its reputation, especially among UAE pilots. It thus has repeatedly demonstrated its superiority in all the spectrum of missions, by detecting ground-air missiles sites that had not been updated and found by U.S. F-16CJ. Furthermore, the front sector optronics (OSF) has also enabled the detection and identification up to 40 kilometers, an asset which prevents the aircraft to be exposed from visual identification up to 3-4 km, which is necessary for most other types of aircraft.
Similarly, within a minute, a Rafale fired six AASM on as many targets, at ranges of several tens of kilometers, while simultaneously firing three air-air MICA missiles. On the back seat, that day, a UAE pilot..
Maybe its lost in translation but is the blogger claiming that this happened for real? I somewhat suspect that it was only a virtual simulation.
No way the French would waste ammunition worth several million in such a stunt. In short: I don't buy that story at all.
lol ...electronic simulation obviously , you never use real ammos on such exercicesbut there are already reports about the Rafale firing at the same time on grounds and airs targets for real .
Ja I figured, however the blogger never mentioned a simulation in any way. That's why I wondered.
and he forgot to add the typhoon's pilots are still alive
Interesting if that would prove to be the case since the Brazil AF is said to prefer Gripen in their evaluation. It's possible the Swiss have the same type of considerations as their neighbors the Austrians had when they made definite they wanted a twin-engine fighter due to the higher climb-rate (small mountainous country with short interception time frame). The counter-argument in that case is that the QRA time factor in relation is more important than other differences.
I really doubt that there was a leak in the Swizz competition. It was said yesterday that only two people know all the relevant data of all three contenedores.
However the purchase of new fighters in Switzerland will be delayed for at least five years. So there will be a new evaluation anyway. Decision 2015 and delivery 2020.
http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/schweiz/...story/18233977
Switzerland or Brazil , i think everything is politics .. i was waiting the denial about the alleged expert choice as soon as a big fight about fiscal concerns broke the news between France and Switzerland yesterday.
Typhoon in Rafale Hud
from:
http://www.checksix-forums.com/showthread.php?t=157658
waiting the movie now
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