Who is Saito? sounds japanese
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juniti_SaitoJuniti Saito (Pompéia, December 12, 1942) is a military officer and the current commander of Brazilian Air Force.
The son of Japanese immigrants Iwataro Saito and Toshike Tamaoki, Lieutenant-Brigadier Saito is the first Japanese-Brazilian to reach the highest rank in a branch of the Brazilian Military.
France-Soir is very optimistic about Switzerland; if the leaks in the swiss medias are true, the 3 contenders are very close: the Typhoon is expensive but Eurofighter offers by far the biggest amount of offset (8 billions), the Gripen is cheaper but is far behind the 2 others in matter of offset (4 billions), the Rafale performed better in the evaluation but its offset offer is behind the Eurofighter's one ( 6 billions) even if Dassault strategy was to highlight concrete partnerships with swiss companies.Originally Posted by arthuro
Yeah right; Jobim sent the first version of the report back to FAB because it favored Rafale whereas Jobim wanted it to favor Rafale...
Sounds logical doesn't it.
Poor loke2 and his fantasy world of rumours
"Le Rafale, un véritable plan de relance économique" , "The Rafale a real economic recovery plan", the ads published by Dassault lately in the swiss newspapers. Dassault was playing the offset card.
From:
http://blog.avionslegendaires.net/20...s-f-5-suisses/
Not so stupid :
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...=1#post4830648
Buy Dassault !
http://www.fool.com/investing/genera...ian-break.aspxBoeing's Big Brazilian Break?
By Rich Smith April 9, 2010
U.S. and Brazilian negotiators announced Wednesday that for the first time in more than 30 years, the two nations are preparing to sign an "umbrella" agreement on military cooperation. As negotiations come down to the wire (signing is expected Monday), Brazil's also moving toward a decision on upgrading its air force with 36 new fighter jets. In that contest, Boeing's (NYSE: BA) F-18 vies with offerings from France's Dassault and Sweden's Saab. It's the first step in a planned 100-plane revamp of the Brazilian air force, said to be worth more than $20 billion.
So ... should Boeing investors expect a $20 billion check in the mail next week?
Survey says: Nope!
While it would be nice to draw a straight line from Point A (defense cooperation) to Point B (big defense contract) here, the U.S. government has done much to erase that line lately. While the French are offering generous "technology transfers" as part of their bid, the U.S. is balking at the prospect.
Worse still (for our side), federal subsidies to American cotton growers have Brazil in an uproar. A WTO verdict that favored the Americans has Brazil threatening compulsory licensing of software and pharmaceutical products. Unless this conflict is defused, we could see companies like Microsoft (Nasdaq: MSFT) and Pfizer (NYSE: PFE) join with Merck (NYSE: MRK) in the line of firms whose intellectual-property rights get wrapped up in a web of subsidized cotton.
In short, we haven't done much to make Brazil sympathetic to Boeing's case
When Boeing's down, kick 'em
Meanwhile, France and Sweden ... have. According to the Brazilian military, all three planes on offer meet Brazil's performance requirements, but Saab's Gripen carries the smallest price tag, while Dassault's Rafale costs more, yet confers generous technology transfer benefits.
Initially attracted by Saab's low sticker cost, the Brazilian air force is coming around to President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva's view that Dassault's the way to go. The prospect of in-country manufacture and tech transfer isn't the only enticement. "Lula" also signed a defense pact with France in late 2008. That deal might have later helped to secure a key aircraft order for Brazil's Embraer (NYSE: ERJ) -- and Rio's right to host the 2016 Summer Olympics.
It's hard to put a price tag on favors like these, but I'd suggest that "$20 billion" sounds just about right. And it won't go to Boeing
La Ferte-Alais 2010 :
To mark the centennial of the Aéronavale, several Rafale and Super-étendard will participate to the meeting.
La Ferte-Alais]2009 pictures:
From:
http://forum.pegase.tv/viewtopic.php...er=asc&start=0
"In the land of the blind the one-eyed is king!"Poor loke2 and his fantasy world of rumours
Sounds good , despite these noisy islamists.
http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/kuwait...ister-1.610896Sarkozy to receive Kuwait's prime minister
Published: 13:31 April 11, 2010
French-Kuwaiti deal for purchase of French fighter planes expected to top the agenda of meeting between French president and Kuwaiti premier
Manama: French President Nicolas Sarkozy will receive Kuwait's Prime Minister Shaikh Nasser Mohammad Al Ahmad Al Sabah on Friday, the Elysee has announced
The French leader's timetable showed a slot on Friday for the meeting with the Kuwaiti premier in Paris, Kuwait News Agency (Kuna) reported.
Sarkozy is heading to Washington on Monday to take part in a summit on nuclear proliferation, the agenda said.
No official statement was issued about the talks at the meeting, but the French-Kuwaiti deal for the purchase of French Rafale fighters is expected to figure high on the agenda.
The deal has been vehemently opposed by Kuwaiti MPs representing Reform and Development Bloc who claimed that it was "suspicious."
"The bloc reiterates its firm opposition to this suspicious deal, especially in light of information that the latest technical reports have recommended the rejection of the deal," the four Islamist MPs who have been campaigning against the agreement purchase of Rafale combat aircraft said last month.
Sarkozy during a tour of Gulf countries in 2008 said that discussions had begun with Kuwait to sell up to 28 Rafales, the twin-engined jet fighter aircraft designed and built by Dassault Aviation.
Last month, French Senator Philippe Marini said that France wanted to deepen cooperation with Kuwait.
"I think that we have long neglected the capacities of Kuwait, and since the beginning of the mandate of President (Nicolas) Sarkozy we have re-approached relations with the countries of the Middle East, and especially with Kuwait. We consider that it is indispensable that we have good and confident relations with Kuwait," Marini, the chairman of the inter-parliamentary and friendship group between France and the GCC countries, said.
Kuwait and France can boost ties and cooperation in several fields, particularly defense, energy, and the economy, he said.
"I hope we shall be able to progress more and more, and to commit reciprocally in order to have a long-term strategy," he told KUNA.
But the rafale is not technically advanced said the islamists
http://www.expatica.com/fr/news/fren...ets_36339.htmlKuwaiti MPs warn of grilling over French jets
An Islamist bloc in the Kuwaiti parliament opposed to a planned purchase of French-made Rafale warplanes on Sunday warned it will grill senior officials if the deal is signed.
"Signing the purchase agreement means we will grill whoever is responsible for authorising the deal," spokesman for the Reform and Development Bloc Faisal al-Muslim told a press conference.
He would not say however whether the prime minister or defence minister are among the officials the bloc plans to call to account if the multi-billion-dollar deal to purchase between 14 and 28 Rafale jets goes ahead.
Another of the bloc's MPs, Jamaan al-Harbash, who has been campaigning against the deal for several months, produced what he said were documents from the defence ministry recommending that the purchase be dropped.
"The reports concluded that the plane is not technically advanced, its price is very expensive and so are its spare parts. If it goes ahead, the deal will be a massive squandering of public funds," Harbash said.
Both Muslim and Harbash insisted their opposition to the deal had nothing to do with any animosity against France.
The political grouping comprises four Islamist MPs who have been campaigning against several proposed arms deals, including the Rafale purchase.
Last month, Defence Minister Sheikh Jaber Mubarak al-Sabah said the Rafale deal remained a priority for Kuwait.
[...]
Some infos about Kuwait:
In Kuwait the government often face islamist opponents about defense deals. The kuwaiti parliament is powerful but even if the islamist lawmakers manage to get a majority there , their main problem is most government members belong to the Al Sabah Kuwait's ruling family:
Sabah Al Ahmad Al Jaber Al Sabah : Emir of kuwait
Nasser Al-Mohammed Al-Sabah : Prime Minister
Moubarak Al Hamad Al Sabah : Vice Prime Minister and Minister of Defense
Ahmad Al-Khaled Al-Hamad Al-Sabah : Army Chief of Staff
Meshal Al-Ahmad Al-Jaber Al-Sabah : Chief of Kuwait National guard
...
So, it means it would be uneasy for them to directly blame the ruling family because in such a case the Emir could choose to dissolve the parliament like his predecessors did in the past.
http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Sec...4161269368170/[...]Kuwait's parliament is the most active of the elected or partly elected legislatures in the region. Its members have repeatedly clashed with the al-Sabahs and the emir had dissolved parliament five times since 1976, twice for long periods when he ruled by decree.[...]
In other words, nobody can prevent Kuwait to buy the Rafale if they absolutely want to do it.
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And Admiral Guillaud is in Kuwait today ...
http://news.brunei.fm/2010/04/11/fre...ves-in-kuwait/FRENCH CHIEF OF DEFENSE STAFF ARRIVES IN KUWAIT
NAM NEWS NETWORK Apr 11th, 2010
KUWAIT, April 11 (NNN-KUNA) — French Chief of the Defence Staff Admiral Edouard Guillaud arrived here Saturday for talks with Kuwaiti officials on activating the military agreement.
Guillaud will be discussing with the Kuwaiti officials best ways of cooperation in training and military domains within the military agreement framework, a statement by the Kuwait Army Moral Guidance and Public Relations said.
Admiral Guillaud was received at the airport by Kuwait Army Cheif of Staff Lieutenant-General Ahmad Al-Khaled Al-Sabah and members of the Military Defense Council. – NNN-KUNA
For the record , before being the Chief of the Defence Staff , Guillaud was leading a Rafale export team at the Elysee palace.
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French Army chief of staff official agenda :
http://www.defense.gouv.fr/ema/comma...t_major/agenda
Nothing between 9 and 12 April ! Either Nams News Network is wrong or here is a visit that should have been discreet .. or decided at the last minute...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAM_News_NetworkThe NAM News Network (NNN) is a news network set up by Non-Aligned countries to disseminate news which is not prejudicial to the third world countries.
http://www.namnewsnetwork.org/v2/index.php
http://www.kuna.net.kw/NewsAgenciesP...63&Language=enKuwait-France hold official military talks
Military and Security 4/11/2010 6:20:00 PM
(with photos) KUWAIT, April 11 (KUNA) -- Chief of Staff of the Kuwaiti Army Lieut. Gen. Sheikh Ahmad Al-Khaled Al-Sabah and his French counterpart Admiral Edouard Guillaud held here Sunday official military talks to bolster cooperation on this level.
The meeting focused on means to enhance military cooperation between the Kuwaiti and French military.
Guillaud told the press that it was important to bolster cooperation on the military level between Kuwait and France, affirming the strength of such relations.
The official stressed that the Rafale planes deal "was proceeding smoothly, " adding that the French government would gladly offer to exchange the old Mirage fighters in the Kuwaiti air fleet with the Rafale aircraft. (end) ndd.gta KUNA 111820 Apr 10NNNN
http://www.kuna.net.kw/NewsAgenciesP...72&Language=enFrench Army Chief of Staff concludes visit
Military and Security 4/11/2010 6:56:00 PM
KUWAIT, April 11 (KUNA) -- French Chief of the Defense Staff Admiral Edouard Guillaud and his delegation concluded their two-day official visit to the country on Sunday.
The French officials were seen off at the airport by the Chief of the General Staff of the Kuwaiti Army, Lieut. Gen. Ahmad Al-Khaled Al-Sabah, members of the Military Defense Council and the French ambassador to Kwuait. (end) nnd.rf.rk KUNA 111856 Apr 10NNNN
and the French didn't forget the Kuwaiti Parliament
http://www.kuna.net.kw/NewsAgenciesP...47&Language=enKuwaiti MPs hail European tour by French Sciences Po foundation
Politics 4/11/2010 5:10:00 PM
By Talal Al-Kandari PARIS, April 11 (KUNA) -- Members of the Kuwaiti National Assembly (parliament) lauded here Sunday the tour organized by the French National Foundation of Political Sciences (Sciences Po) to France and Belgium.
MPs Abdulrahman Al-Enjery and Assil Al-Awadhi asserted in a statement to KUNA at the close of their tour that it was a successful and fruitful one as they exchanged views and reviewed issues in various fields, especially on women and finance.
[...]
On her part, Al-Awadhi affirmed that the visit centered on the role of the Kuwaiti woman in all fields, especially the political one.
"We have felt a great interest in the joining of parliament by Kuwaiti women and thrashed out the challenges faced by women inside the parliament and their role in the parliamentary committees," Al-Awadhi explained.[...]
MP Assil Al Awadhi:
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/me...ons/index.html
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