Reply With QuoteIs Brazil opting for the Gripen after all, note the cooperation for its radar
see http://brazil-weekly.com
From:Sarkozy will attend the EU-Latin America summit in Madrid
05/16/2010 10:28:07 p.m
PARIS, May 16 (*******) - Nicolas Sarkozy will travel Tuesday to Madrid to attend the summit European Union - Latin America, announced on Sunday a statement from the Elysee.
The President will attend the plenary of the summit before attending a working lunch offered to heads of delegation by the Spanish Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero, the statement said.
It could also be on the sidelines of the summit, talks with his Brazilian counterpart Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, and discuss about the proposed sale of French Rafale fighter-bombers in Brazil, said a French government source.
http://www.euroinvestor.fr/news/story.aspx?id=11066510
For the record:
http://twitter.com/TheDEWLine/statuses/13987302277F-X2: The Brazilian MoD Mr Jobim has transmitted his report to President Lula.
Last edited by Olybrius; 05-17-2010 at 05:32 AM.
Is Brazil opting for the Gripen after all, note the cooperation for its radar
see http://brazil-weekly.com
First of all, 12 billion divided by 126 fighters are around 95 million per fighter, so there should be no big problem to get 126 Rafale, or EFs for that budget.Originally Posted by Loke2
Secondly the key here are the numbers that will be ordered, the more you order the lower the total cost!
It was reported that Daussault offered Saudi Arabia 96 Rafale F2 for a total price of 6 billion €, or around 7,5 billion $ at todays exchange rates, so the 30 more that India wants (at least ! ! !) should fit in the budget too, even if they are F3 standard. Also don't forget that only 18 should be delivered directly by France, the rest will be build under licence.
http://www.*******.com/article/idUSW...pe=marketsNewsFrance confident Brazil will order Rafale planes
MADRID, May 18 *******
France is confident Brazil will soon confirm an order for 36 Rafale fighter planes, a diplomatic source said after President Nicolas Sarkozy met Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva of Brazil.
The two men met at the sidelines of a European Union/Latin America summit in Madrid.
"From this discussion we retain that the decision taken by Brazil for the preference (of Rafale) in September will be confirmed soon," the source said.
Brazil is set to decide before the end of July. (Reporting by Yann Le Guernigou; Editing by Hans Peters)
http://www.*******.com/article/idUSL...pe=marketsNewsPARIS, May 18 (*******) - France is mounting a last-ditch bid to prevent another fighter sale slipping from its grasp as upcoming Brazilian presidential elections threaten to spoil its hopes of winning a first foreign sale of its Rafale combat jet.
After setbacks in Morocco and Asia, French President Nicolas Sarkozy is leading a campaign for a $6.3 billion deal to sell 36 warplanes to Brazil, but some French arms industry executives are worried the talks could stall ahead of elections in October.
Sarkozy is expected to discuss the latest stage in an expanding global race for air power when he meets his Brazilian counterpart Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva on the sidelines of a European-South American summit in Madrid later on Tuesday.
The French leader trumpeted an imminent deal during a trip to Brazil in September but Latin America's biggest power has yet to narrow down a field of three bidders from France, the United States and Sweden amid reports of a split over procurement.
"Every week bringing us closer to the election is worrying us a little more", a source familiar with the French bid said.
With Lula prevented from standing for re-election, some experts believe the country's next president could order a pause in negotiations or restart the lengthy process from scratch.
Built by family-controlled French aerospace firm Dassault Aviation (AVMD.PA), the twin-engined Rafale is locked in competition with Boeing's (BA.N) dual-engined F-18 Super Hornet and Saab's (SAABb.ST) single-engined Gripen.
Brazil says it will pick one of the three by end-July as the basis for exclusive negotiations on the renewal of its fighter fleet which includes Dassault-built Mirages. However industry sources note such deadlines have been delayed in the past.
"Even if the Rafale gets picked and a negotiation starts in a few days, it won't end before the handover of power," a French industry source said.
Some Brazilian top brass are reported to favour the Gripen, while Lula and his defence minister openly back the French.
"There is tension between the Air Force and the civil government," said Richard Aboulafia, aerospace and defence analyst with the Teal Group in Washington.
"Lula has expressed a choice for technology transfer and industrial relations with France and Dassault but the Air Force seems to have other ideas of what it wants to fly," he said.
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To make its bid more attractive, France has promised what it describes as a bold technology transfer deal favouring Brazil's Embraer (ERJ.N) but is said to be taking a harder line on price.
"Contacts between the Brazilians and the French have progressed well on technology transfer and maintenance, but Dassault doesn't want to cut prices and the Rafale is the most expensive plane," a French defence industry source said.
Boeing and Saab both say their planes are more competitive than Dassault's but give no further details. Analysts say fully equipped fighter planes sell for some $100 million each.
Funny, two ******* articles with somewhat different perspectives, published on the same day...
It's called news, boy ... and in matter of news , the most recent are the most relevant
Before meeting
France frets over fighter sale to Brazil
Tue May 18, 2010 4:28am
After meeting
France confident Brazil will order Rafale planes
Tue May 18, 2010 10:11am
But here is perhaps the most important news today about the Rafale deal in Brazil:
For the first time, Dilma Roussef is leading the presidential race in the polls.
From:In scenario with 11 candidates on the list presented to respondents, Dilma reaches 36% and Sierra reaches 33%
http://www.estadao.com.br/noticias/n...f,553444,0.htm
Rafale in Albacete, TLP, April 2010:
I suggest you also read this one; I have highlighted the more important things:
To spell it out: Sarko was confident one month ago; Sarko was confident yesterday evening. It seems nothing has changed there for the last month actually.France 'confident' Brazil will choose Rafale jets: source
(AFP) – 16 hours ago
MADRID — France remains confident Brazil will announce it has chosen French-made Rafale fighter jets for its air force, an Elysee source said Tuesday, following talks here between the presidents of the two countries.
Brazil's "preference" for the Rafale "is expected to be confirmed soon," the French presidency source told AFP.
"But it's not for us to say, it is up to Brazil" to announce it, the source added.
French President Nicolas Sarkozy met with Brazil's leader Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva in Madrid on the sidelines of an EU-Latin America summit.
However, an advisor to Lula told journalists that the question of the Rafale purchase did not come up in the leaders' conversation.
The Rafale, made by Dassault, has yet to clinch a single overseas sale and is in competition with Sweden's Gripen NG by Saab and the F/A-18 Super Hornet manufactured by US giant Boeing.
The deal for 36 fighter planes is estimated to be worth between four and seven billion dollars, depending on details of armaments, maintenance and peripheral industrial involvement.
Brazil has made technology transfer the main priority in the tender, so it can produce fighter aircraft itself and boost its aviation industry.
Lula previously said the Rafale deal would be more advantageous in this respect for Brazil.
Sarkozy himself voiced confidence in a deal with Brazil last month when he also met with Lula on the sidelines of a nuclear security summit in Washington.
Lula will most likely declare Rafale the winner before leaving office -- the more relevant question is whether the next president will just finalize the negotiations and sign, or re-start the process... That's what was highlighted in the other ******* story...
Last edited by Loke2; 05-19-2010 at 06:40 AM.
Nope, they dont cost 95 mil each. The package most probably include support systems, spare parts, to teach technicians etc...
Its called news , boy , journalists often give contradictory sources, what is important is the title and the highlight of what they think to be the most credible part of the info .. not your Gripen fanboy opinion
http://www.swedishwire.com/business/...turn-down-saab
Kuwait: A new special budget for the Rafale deal .. Perhaps for the tests planned in june.
http://www.arabtimesonline.com/NewsD...d/Default.aspxKD 4.7b eyed in projects spend
Arab Times, May 19
[...]
Al-Zalzalah disclosed there were observations on the government’s move to reduce the number of expatriate workers, increase the percentage of Kuwaiti employees, and allocation of a special budget for the Ministry of Defense related to the Rafale aircraft deal which, according to the government, is not included in both the strategic and annual plans of Kuwait.
[...]
Pics of the day : Bastille day in Paris
Fixed it for you -- seems you have a recurring problem with the qoute function.
More interesting : some infos about the Swiss competition:
From the well-informed Avia News Swiss blog:Combat aircraft: the economic issues
24 heures may 17
The program of partial replacement of the fleet of F-5 (TTE) [Tiger-Teilersatzes] seems currently suspended to the final decision of the Federal Council, which could fall before the end of the year. Two options are possible, confirmation of a purchase within the next two years or deferral of the acquisition and therefore of the choice to 2015. Which, in this configuration no longer allow to speak of replacing the F-5, but the pre-departure phase of the F/A-18 in 2025! Nevertheless, here is the latest installment of this typically Swiss saga, devoted to the economic future of this contract.
Combat Aircraft: an economic engine:
While in the past, the principle of compensation was the highlight, this time it is to establish a true industrial partnership with the builder and the many suppliers of the aircraft chosen.[...] Indeed, the amounts guaranteed by the three manufacturers are much higher, from 4.5 billions to 8 billions francs. [4.5 for Saab , 8 for Eurofighter, Dassault would be around 6]
In a recession, this important market is a wind of hope in the Swiss industry, particularly for SMEs in Western Switzerland and Ticino.[...]
Already some examples:
Take for example the case of Dassault: partnership agreements were signed with major players in aviation in Switzerland (RUAG, Pilatus), but also with other companies (PRECICAST, MECAPLEX, CONDOR, JEAN GALLAY, SAUTER BACHMANN ...), which are now involved in the Rafale and the Falcon business jet programs, as well as programs for aircraft engines and helicopters.
These perspectives are also addressed to key players in the innovation process which are upstream of the industrialization phase, namely the Swiss research institutes such as ETH Zurich, EPF Lausanne. The proposed approach helps to strengthen the "Cluster of Excellence Aerospace", a network of industrial companies and research centers in France and Switzerland, set up by Dassault Aviation, Thales and Snecma.
300 Swiss companies involved:
In all, more than 300 Swiss companies are directly affected by the industrial programs that will result directly from the purchase of the combat aircraft. Not to mention that each patent can then be used in other aerospace program. One thinks, for example, to developed systems that can then find a buyer among other aircraft manufacturers, as well as solutions which will also find opportunities in the automotive, trains, medicine and computers every day. Our country has lost a lot of work spaces in industrial sectors such as textiles and metallurgy, but high-tech areas drained by the development of aeronautics and space in our country are growing, this project will provide a major Kick-inch for the future in this promising sector.
http://psk.blog.24heures.ch/archive/...onomiques.html
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