But Gripen NG is only a tech demonstrator, an order for Gripen E/F would mean new prototypes with all airframe and tech changes are needed and I guess that is what the article meant.Originally Posted by Loke2
With the president and the defense minister officially supporting Rafale, there should be very little doubt about the winner. The Brazilians simply try to reduce the costs some more, but it is announced that the decision will be taken till the end of this year, so there shouldn't be much difference anymore. What remains interesting is the final number of fighters, 36 + 12 for the navy should be the minimum.
from hereFrench President Nicolas Sarkozy is backing Rafale -- and openly supporting Brazil's membership of the U.N. Security Council, a long-cherished goal for successive Brazilian governments.
Support for UNSC entry, possible orders for the KC-390 and the fact that the Rafale is carrier compatible... I think this whole fiasco is just Brazil posturing trying to get the price of the contract down.
Yeah, the FAB might only need a Gripen E/F and is possibly more cost-effective, but Sweden simply can't offer any strategic, or political advantages unlike France. If you compare the whole deal, France and Dassault offer more and that's why they should win.
Obviously since the bird is a single engine aircraft.
There is little doubt about the choice of Brazil, but it may still take a little time before an announcement because i think the pressures made on the french to reduce their prices are relatively inefficient.
Why? Because the Brazilian government does not [want to?] use all the pressure tactics available:
In France, nobody seriously imagines that the Gripen NG can win because, basically, the Swedes are not perceived as dangerous rivals. That's how it is, like it or not.
By cons, Morocco, where the Rafale has lost an almost captive market, has left a deep impression on people's mind and everyone thinks that a last minute turnaround in favor the U.S. is plausible.
This could [should?] be used to pressure the french but not at all ... No signal, even minimalist one, is sent in favor of the others competitors. They should just say something like "the choice will not be political" or "in some respects, the U.S.[or swedish] offer is also interesting" .. But no, in fact it's even quite the opposite with very strong Jobim criticisms towards the U.S. this week...
And meanwhile, Lula is asking Rousseff to keep Jobim (who has never hidden his strong preference for the Rafale) as mindef of the next government ...
Funny to see Boeing and Dassault on the same side
Full article:Aviation companies decry F-35 purchase
CBCNews , nov 5
Dassault, Boeing claim they were shut out of lucrative military contract
Two aviation companies have complained that the Canadian government never gave their planes a good look before selecting a competing jet — Lockheed Martin's F-35 — for a lucrative military contract.
Representatives of Boeing and French airplane maker Dassault appeared before a parliamentary committee on Thursday to say their planes were overlooked despite being capable of fulfilling the required capabilities of a new fighter for the Canadian military.
"To our knowledge, Canadian officials have not received the full complement of Super Hornet performance data from the U.S. navy, including those about the new Super Hornet's stealth characteristics," Boeing vice-president Kory Mathews told the committee. Boeing makes the Super Hornet.
[...]
A similar story came from Yves Robin, an executive with French airplane manufacturer Dassault. Robin said no one from the Canadian air force asked to see any data about his company's plane, the Rafale.
"The last contact we had with the Canadian government and air force was on [Feb. 22, 2006] when we received a delegation of a couple of officers for a couple of hours." he said.
[...]
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2010/...omplaints.html
Strange bedfellows and all that...
Pontoise ,September 4, 2010
AdlA coming from France for Cruzex V exercice landing At Natal Airbase yesterday and today
From twitter:
http://twitter.com/search?q=%23CRUZEX
From:Rafale: Innovation on CRUZEX airfield
Força Aera Brasileira , Nov 6
The French fighter Squadrons are already in Natal lands. The fleet of four Mirage-2000 and four Rafale airplanes became the center of the attentions of the military personnel and press when they landed on Natal, in the morning of this Saturday, 6th, in order to integrate the coalition force during CRUZEX V.
The French Air Force (FAF) is already a veteran participant of the biggest Aerial War Exercise of South America, but in the previous editions FAF just brought Mirages airplanes. The great innovation in the fifth edition is due exclusively to the expectation with the interaction the multi-role French fighter of wide action range, which comes for the first time to Brazil to participate in the Exercise.
For this trip, the aircrafts needed a stop in Dakar, Senegal, and an erial refueling. According to Lieutenant Colonel Michel Sebastian, the squadron made of 20 pilot and 35 technicians will take part in the training with the objective of interacting with the other countries contributing for the evolution of the integrant Air forces of CRUZEX. “We want to show our experience and to exchange tactical knowledge among the participant countries. A training in South America is very important”, argue the military.
One of the French pilots, Captain Thomas Portier, carried out combat missions with Rafale in Afghanistan. “Since 2007 we have been using Rafale. Last year we also got great results with these airplane”, recalls the officer. His expectation for this participation in CRUZEX is of enriching the cooperation between countries. "Especially with Brazil”, concludes the pilot.
http://www.fab.mil.br/portal/operaco...=mostra&id=345
Cruzex V Brazil, new pictures:
From:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cruzex/...7625202654119/
Another "leak" from MMRCA ?
From:The multi-role combat aircraft, manufactured by a joint venture between Britain's BAE Systems, Italy's Alenia Aeronautica and the German-Spanish giant EADS, has come top in the Indian Air Force's technical assessment of rival bids, beating the American F16 and F18s, the Russian MiG 35 and its closest rival, the French Dassault Rafale.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/n...hter-deal.html
http://in.*******.com/article/idINIndia-52725820101107
True or not , i don't know but the Sunday telegraph/Daily Telegraph are respected newspapers. Obviously , the article focuses on the Typhoon but in fact it seems very close to what said TimesNow 3 month ago.
For the record:
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...=1#post5119572
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90GdBwYYjyg
Wait and see..
Sounds and smells like bull****
Yes, how can a fighter without a working radar delivered in the required time, or credible A2G capabilities come on top of the technical report, if nearly everything hints on Indian forces wants to add strike capabilities? EF is undeniably good in A2A and for sure offers good offsets, but it has to fulfill the requirements of Indian forces first and they want a multi role fighter, if possible even for the nuclear strike role and carrier capable. So simply by logic the article makes not much sense, I still think the decision will be between Rafale as the best suited fighter for India and the F18SH for political and cost reasons mainly.
Aren't these older 1250l tanks, any reason why they use them instead of the 2000l versions?
Cruzex V Brazil, new pictures:...
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